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And to ALL,

Does anyone have some GOOD quality photos of "gaucho knives"? - One of our local "thrift shops" had a "whole flock of" German-made/carbon steel bladed chefs knives for sale at
 
satx78247 said:
"You don't want those old things because they rust".)
yours, satx
That's usually the uninitiated version of carbon steel and not some hyped up stainless version! :wink:

Actually it's a blade style, though gaucho's still use them. These are some old versions.
http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/facon/criollo20.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com...roy9CNxjF2uvMIete12O_qczx8QJUqqJZR3zVzjS__luA

These are newer versions of the old theme.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com...4qhvfyyfBaDeU9lHwbU0w5mSDSibYSIBhhh6oFmfnhfOw

One of the more unusual aspects is how they wear them, through the back of the belt which is often buckled reversed.
http://www.unique-southamerica-travel-experience.com/images/Facon-copia.jpg
 
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EXACTLY.
My very favorite 14"-bladed professional chef's knife came from a junk (or "junque" - that's that "fancy French junk". = CHUCKLE) shop, that I paid 5.5o+ tax for (years ago) in northern VA. - I have no clue as to the maker, as it's simply marked: Williams-Sonoma & "made in West Germany".
One can cut-up a great deal of vegetables with it and it's still "sharp enough to shave with", after Mr. Lorenzo Torres de Vaca (the guy that comes to the SA gunshows) does his magic on it.

yours, satx
 
satx78247 said:
And to ALL,

Does anyone have some GOOD quality photos of "gaucho knives"? - One of our local "thrift shops" had a "whole flock of" German-made/carbon steel bladed chefs knives for sale at
 
I do NOT "rip off" our forum members & encourage others to act in the same way.

Fwiw, one of the members of another forum that I belong to (antique boats) mailed me a tail-light for my M-B, because I couldn't find one here & REFUSED payment for anything but S&H.

Similarly, any knives that I don't need will be offered here to my TX friends first & then to anyone who wants one.

just my opinion, satx
 
While the chef's blades and Gaucho knives in the same family as the belduque, they are in fact a specific subset design - some originals to compare with:

From the MOFT "Fur Trade Cutlery Sketchbook" - IMO a must have book for under $10.00
belduque.jpg


From "Southwestern Colonial Ironwork: The Spanish Blacksmithing Tradition from Texas to California"
sw-colonial-belduque.jpg


These are all from the Casa Escuela Museum in Glorieta, NM the lower two in the first image are belduques
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belduque-gordon-1.jpg


belduque-gordon-2.jpg


Private collection - Northern Sonora
belduque-nm-1.jpg


A Joe Delaronde copy of an original
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THANK YOU for the sketch/photos.

There is a very similar knife to the top sketch at the Long Barracks at our Alamo Shrine. - It was unearthed during a sewer pipe repair project some 2 decades ago.
Unfortunately, there is NO clue as to whether its previous owner was a TX volunteer or Mexican soldado.

yours, satx
 
Chuck- sometime this summer I'll be going from Taos to Santa Fe. I did a quick google on the Casa Escuela Museum in Glorieta. Is it on a ranch? Open to public? Thanks for any help.
 
satx78247 said:
Out of curiosity, does anyone KNOW for sure WHERE the knives were made and/or what the quality of the blades ARE?
Has anyone actually TRIED one?
(So far, all I see here is GUESSING & GOSSIP.)

just my opinion, satx


I ordered one completed knife and one blade (only) from CC over the past 18mos.

The knife's CC description did not include any "made in" reference; but the other blade (only) reference said "Solingen, Germany" (IIRC).

The "Cherokee Bowie" knife's blade was stamped "India".

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So I added some matching wood ahead of the crossguard to cover the stamp (and blued the bright-polished blade)

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The knife blade, to which I added an Ebony handle, was from (and so marked) Solingen (Ger)

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From my direct experience with CC, I would pay attention to each item's description, and presume that anything w/o an origin reference in it's description to originate from some 3rd world country (India, Paki, etc) or from China.


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Yeah, if something seems to good to be true then it probably isn't. Those German blades, IMHO they have very good steel and can be made into very good knives.
 
Crockett,

Received a Crazy Crow Belduque knife yesterday. Made in India stamped on blade. Looks like an old chrome plated car bumper for a blade. About as heavy and as sharp. Scales were fit so poorly that gaps had been filled with putty. Returned it today for a refund. CC has a no questions asked
return policy. I paid for the return. Fair trade.
 
I just noticed this thread and thought to weigh in. I am a knife and sword dealer. A large part of our inventory consists of Indian and Pakistani made blades. I carry them not because I really want to but because they are making blades in historic patterns that nobody else mass produces. Some of the blades are great, others not so hot but we price and sell them for what they are. Our experience with Indian-made blades has been pretty good. With some exceptions they make a decent product as far as the steel goes. Much of what we carry is made of mild steel so it will not take or hold and edge. This is especially true with many of the swords but they look great and we advise our buyers NOT to use them as actual weapons. Wood to metal fit and leather quality has been problematic from time to time but lately we have noticed considerable improvement in one or two lines which we carry. Companies like Cold Steel sell some Indian-made blades which are second to none in their price range. The Scottish basket hilt, which we carry, comes to mind.

The Pakis tend to use a lot of stainless, even in their sword blades. I have gotten some Paki blades which claimed to be stainless but rusted! Generally I would prefer not to sell Paki blades but they also make some that are not mass produced elsewhere so what are we to do if the customer wants one? Rhetorical question - of course we provide the product.

While I hate to mention particular brand names, I would say among the Indian producers that Cold Steel and Windlass Steelcrafts produce the best product with many un-named forges all over India producing items of lower quality - and lower price. Atlanta Cutlery, a subsidiary of Windlass, makes some very nice blades which will hold an edge and give long service if cared for. Deepeeka, which makes some great historical swords and other weapons which simply cannot be found elsewhere, varies in quality but I would have to say that most of what they provide is best for display, not for use. Recently, however, they have attempted to upgrade their quality by offering some very nice things. The frustrating part of this is they always seem to be in short supply.

The simple answer to what to buy is - what am I going to do with the blade? If it is just for display and because it looks great or fills a niche in your collection of historical cutlery, then go for the sword or dagger which covers all bases there. If you want to actually put the blade to use then you have to be more careful. That is it in a nutshell. Do your homework first.
 
EXCELLENT POST, imVho. - THANKS for your input.

Fyi, I bought my Nashville Plow-Works replica "short sword", that I mentioned on page 1, for LOOKS (The "powers that be" don't allow us Southrons to "carve on" DY troops any more = CHUCKLE.) but found the carbon steel blade to be of EXCELLENT quality. - Just "pure good luck", I would guess.


yours, satx
 
Wiley- thanks for the honest report. I bought a cheap $4.95 folding knife from Dixie Gun Works stamped India and the fitting is pretty poor and the blade- well- I'll say I did get a sharp edge on it but it isn't a steel most folks would be happy with. But, it was $4.95- so it's about what I figured it would be. One reason I bought that knife was to tear it apart and use it as a pattern and use the spring.
 
satx78247 said:
THANK YOU!!!!!

There's NO substitute for ACTUAL knowledge/experience & FACTS.

yours, satx

WTH? You whine people are giving anecdotal and analogical evidence which, you should know as an ex (I'm sorry, "former") security guard are valid, and immediately after somebody does exactly the same thing that is American Indian and Pakistani favorable you praise them! I should have expected nothing less...

Obviously you have a dog in a fight you created in the first place, or maybe it's just that chip on your shoulder. So selling things for a capitalistic profit, even though it's fair and mutually beneficial, is bad but your misleading people here isn't... Wow!
 
Wiley said:
Crockett,

Received a Crazy Crow Belduque knife yesterday. Made in India stamped on blade. Looks like an old chrome plated car bumper for a blade. About as heavy and as sharp. Scales were fit so poorly that gaps had been filled with putty. Returned it... I paid for the return. Fair trade.

THANK YOU!!!!!

There's NO substitute for ACTUAL knowledge/experience & FACTS.
 
Those German blades, IMHO they have very good steel and can be made into very good knives.

That is a faulty conclusion. Just being German made does not guarantee high quality. No different than any other product from anywhere. Depending on company and what they want to produce it may be very high quality or very low. Same with Sheffield English, high or low. Or Spanish legendary high quality to El Cheapo low.
 
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