Dangerous CVA sidelocks.

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hellya916

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Apparently, there have been some major issues with CVA inlines. Has anybody suffered a failure from there sidelock line? I kind of enjoy having my hand and face in tact.
 
Matt Bernal said:
Apparently, there have been some major issues with CVA inlines. Has anybody suffered a failure from there sidelock line? I kind of enjoy having my hand and face in tact.
IMO The major issues with CVA inlines come from Magnumitis. If the idiots who use them kept their loads down to proper sub-100gr charges there would be no problems.

Since people don't tend to dump large handfuls of powder down a sidelock, it doesn't happen near as much as with "Hey, howabout I put 4 Pellets in this thing?"
 
Good, I dont rally plan on breaking 90gr very often if I wanted muzzle velocity I would be shooting a 22/250. This rifle is going to be shot for the pure enjoyment of the delay and large amount of smoke. If I hit what I'm aiming at thats icing on the cake.
 
Not to say that you shouldn't enjoy shooting yours as you see fit, but personally I wouldn't think you'd want to waste your time, powder, patch, and ball shooting a Flintlock that had delayed ignition...delayed ignition usually causes accuracy to suffer badly...to me the challenge was learning how flintlocks worked in order to avoid having delayed ignition at all
 
Well said. tooling around with this gun has made me appreciate the men who had to war and hunt with these weapons immensely! Part of the reason why I wanted a flintlock is so the skill of loading and firing such an important peice of history, is not lost on my generation. and can be passed on again to the next. it some how puts you in touch with history. It is quite a scince and I'm looking forward to knowing how to do it well.
 
Matt Bernal said:
Apparently, there have been some major issues with CVA inlines. Has anybody suffered a failure from there sidelock line? I kind of enjoy having my hand and face in tact.

Almost certainly... somewhere... someone... has probably had a failure, but I reckon that it was due mainly to some sort of operator error--such as overcharging, barrel obstruction, etc...

I personally have never had any problems with CVA sidelocks. They have proven to be an exceptional value, as they are reliable, functional, and accurate beyond expectation.

I expect there are a LOT of muzzleloding shooters & hunters out there who NEVER would have become such, if it were not for CVA producing affordable pieces that allowed them the opportunity to try muzzleloading..

It's a shame that CVA has determined that sidelocks just won't sell in today's market. I still think there's a niche for the $50-$75 entry level sidelock. If for nothing else, than to introduce a young or new shooter to the sport.

Shoot Safely!
WV_Hillbilly
 
I have owned and been around CVAs for thirty years and have only seen one fail. The had just introduced the Pennsylvania Rifle, about 1981 or 1982, and a fellow was shooting one at a shoot I was at. The bolster blew out sending it across the firing line. No one was hit but it was a little scary. The rifle was less than a month old. I don't know what he had been shooting when he first got it but did not look like he was firing anything excessive at the time.

That was the only time I have seen one come apart. I think that he must have just had the bad luck to get a flawed piece. I have seen other CVAs take a lot of abuse and still hold together.
 
Many years ago, when John Baird was publishing The Buckskin report, I recall reading an article there about a CVA that had burst, because the dovetail cut for the barrel key was cut too deep, and caused a weak spot. Other than the gun being ruined, the shooter did not suffer any serious injuries. The article reported that CVA addressed the problem promptly with their barrel makers, and recalled some of the early guns to be checked. There were no more reports of this kind of problem again. Many people did not like the design of the parts used in CVA guns, but most everyone had to admit they functioned well, and were good shooters. One friend had trouble until he removed the middle barrel key, and found that the forend of his mountain rifle stock had warped, and he could not get the key back in it. He later sanded down the barrel channel and refitted the key and he got fine accuracy from the gun thereafter. Apparently, CVA was sold some green wood for stocks, and when the gun sat through one of our very dry winters, the stock warped. 'With the middle key removed, he was shooting one hole groups at 50 yds, so he had no complaint.
 
Mike2005 said:
I have owned and been around CVAs for thirty years and have only seen one fail. The had just introduced the Pennsylvania Rifle, about 1981 or 1982, and a fellow was shooting one at a shoot I was at. The bolster blew out sending it across the firing line. No one was hit but it was a little scary. The rifle was less than a month old. I don't know what he had been shooting when he first got it but did not look like he was firing anything excessive at the time.

That was the only time I have seen one come apart. I think that he must have just had the bad luck to get a flawed piece. I have seen other CVAs take a lot of abuse and still hold together.

I too have seen one of these percussion drums blow out and go sailing across the fireing line.--But before I go any farther let me set the record straight.

First you have to understand the type of critter that was doing the shooting, :shake: , Weasel was his name (and for good reason).

Upon retreiving the errand drum and examining it and the rifle, it was time for a chat with Weasel. The problem it turns out did not fall with CVA. What had happened was Weasel had taken a CVA flintlock Kentucky rifle and made a percussion rifle out of it by making his own drum from the shackel bolt of an old lawn mower, and the 6mm x .75 thread end that screwed in in place of the touch hole liner snaped off and the rest of the drum went sailing.

Toomuch
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Shoot Flint

P.S. This is not Weasel #168 from this forum. After posting I happened to wonder if there was anyone hear that used the name Weasel. Sorry


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Toomuch_36 said:
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Upon retreiving the errand drum and examining it and the rifle, it was time for a chat with Weasel. The problem it turns out did not fall with CVA. What had happened was Weasel had taken a CVA flintlock Kentucky rifle and made a percussion rifle out of it by making his own drum from the shackel bolt of an old lawn mower, and the 6mm x .75 thread end that screwed in in place of the touch hole liner snaped off and the rest of the drum went sailing.
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I have seen this with some people when they build their own rifles. We had one person in our club who goofed up the threads for the bolster. Rather than than going for a larger thread size and redoing it he just used the munched threads. It lasted for about 15-20 rounds then blew the bolster out, threads and all. Nobody was hurt but he did screw up a nice GM barrel.
 

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