Decode older 1858 Rem?

[07Kingpin]

Just picked up an older 1858 Italian replica, hoping for a little more information on this revolver. Here's what we have:

 

[07Kingpin]

From what I've read I believe that Armsport was an importer for Italian manufacturers but have not pinned down whether they imported for more than one company or if they ever manufactured their own pieces.

The 5120 seems to be the part number for the steel framed 1858s.

I believe the shield symbol with what appears to be a cross is a black powder proof mark, the PN is an Italian firearm proof and the AH is a date code, but do not know which date it references.

No idea what the 927 or other symbol is.

I've also read that these are Uberti clones, and that at least cylinders are a direct swap.

Is any of this even close?

Thanks for any and all help!

 

[Phil Coffins]

AH =1981

 

[07Kingpin]

Good to know, thanks!

 

[hawkeye2]

The logo after the 927 is the one used by Armi San Polo before they became known as Euroarms. It is also found under the barrel of 1858s marked Euroarms on the top flat. They are easily identified by the fact that there are no threads showing through the frame at the back of the barrel. Armsport would have been an importer and no more than that. Euroarms cylinders are longer than Uberti cylinders resulting in an excessive barrel/cylinder gap but will work otherwise.

 

[07Kingpin]

Great information thanks for the reply

 

[07Kingpin]

So would the standard max of 35gr FFF under a round ball be applicable here?

 

[Phil Coffins]

35 grains would be tight, 30 grains fits well.

 

[Desperate Lee]

07Kingpin
I have 2 of the ASP 58 Rems, they have slightly smaller grips than Pietta or Uberti and are a close replica of the Bealls Remingtons. One is a factory built gun in 77 and the other a kit gun in 80. You will love this gun, but be aware the grip dimensions are smaller, and if you have big hands like me, you will get your ring finger smacked with heavy loads. Ask me how I know.
A rb and 20 to 25 grn pure black is heaven, 30 grn SWIS and a 200 grn SWC conical not so much. Enjoy it. It is a well built revolver, but if you change your mind you have only to pm me, I have Colts I can trade.
DL

 

[07Kingpin]

Good tips, thanks!

 

[Desperate Lee]

07Kingpin
The Pietta cylinder is longer by a few thou than the ASP cylinder. The lockup is good when you face the cylinder end off. I have already fitted one and need to fit the other. My 2 ASP cylinders bores measure .449-.450 and the Pietta replacements cylinder bores measure .445-.446 . These will be rb only cylinders unless I bore them out.
DL

 

[Zonie]

For those of you who haven't read the Forum Rules, here is rule # 10

10: We do not discuss conversion cylinders or anything to do with metal cartridges.

 

[Bad Karma]

@Desperate Lee I’ve been shooting my new “shooters model” Pietta with 30 grains Swiss under a .495 round ball sized .457 (has .456 chambers). Very nice shooter, except that trigger guard smacks the heck out of my middle finger. There’s just not much grip to get a hold on. I have yet to chronograph this load but I’m sure it’s a deer load anyway...

 

[Blogman]

Hhhmm, I'm not trying to be a butthead but I don't see #10 being discussed.

 

[07Kingpin]

I asked about it earlier in the thread, looks like it got deleted- didn't catch that, will reread the rules, thanks for the heads up!