Derringer or Henry photos?

[Doc Arroyo]

I am looking for some good photos of three different rifles.

1. A Derringer trade rifle
2. J. Henry Lancaster pattern trade rifle
3. J. Henry English pattern trade rifle

I have seen line drawings of each, and have shot a reproduction of the English pattern. But I need a touch more info before I can decide on my next build. If anyone can help me out with photos, or tell me which books they have seen pictures of these rifle in, I would appreciate it.

 

The Derringer Trade rifle or musket is pictured a couple times in "Firearms of the American West 1803 to 1865". by Louis A. Garavaglia & Charles G Workman
: I may have the trade rifle mixed with the Model 1814,.54 military rifle by Derringer with large oval patch box & finger grooved trigger guard. I'm certain they would have been sold abroad but may not be what you're thinking of.

 

[Ohio Joe]

Doc,,, I'm setting here looking at a picture of the lock side's of a, Lancaster - J. Henry, and a, English - J. Henry, both ca. 1836, Museum of the Fur Trade Collection, in the book; The Hawken Rifle: Its Place In History, by Charles E. Hanson, Jr., page 64 and 66... Can't help you on the "Derringer Trade Rifle" as yet, but I bet I've got a book around here with a picture in it... I'll keep looking!

 

[Doc Arroyo]

Thank you gentlemen

 

[Stumpkiller]

I gotta say I'm stumped. All I could find was a few modern copies, and there is always a danger in using them as patterns of models. Someone hereabouts must have a reference book with an image? C'mon gang, dig!

Now it's a challenge.

 

[Stumpkiller]

Ah. Two hits on two styles of J. Henry rifles. On page 88 of the Book of Buckinning (I) is a full length image of the "English Pattern" and a half image of the "New English" or "Scroll Guard" pattern. AND, on page 85 of the same book is an image of a Henry Derringer. Three for three in a single book! I can scan them and post them here if you are interested.

 

[musketman]

I am looking for some good photos of three different rifles.
1. A Derringer trade rifle

I found this...

Derringer Flintlock Military Rifle - made by Henry Derringer , Philadelphia, Pa. c 1810-182?

Quantities unknown.

56 Caliber single shot muzzleloader 33" octagon barrel.

Full curly maple stock wedge fastened, lug for socket type bayonet on underside head muzzle.

 

Doc,
If you go to www.jacobsburg.org, this is the home of the jacobsburg historical society, which is also the home of the decendents of the Henry's of Boulton, Pa.
What you'll need to do is email them and ask for electronic photos of their Lancaster pattern collection.
If my memory serves, a gentleman by the name of Tim(last name starts with L, but can't remember)is in charge of the gun collection part of the museum.
I know this because I did this 4 years ago and received photos of 7 different L-patterns and had a fully authentic, beautiful 12 lb., 58" Henry L-pattern made. If your looking for a correct copy of one, then, yes THAT WAS the normal, average size and weight of these rifles.
When it comes to English-pattern, you'll have to ask them on that also.
Hope that helps.
Manynames