Desperate Crossing MOVIE

[Bullmoose]

History Channel is doing a "Mayflower" movie called the "Desperate Crossing" this Sunday 19th, sounds and looks good. :thumbsup:

 

[redwing]

Yes sounds like a good one. It is interesting to note however that Jamestown was founded in 1607 long before "The Rock" After the War between the states it was removed from all the school books. It was taught that way until 1865, when everyting to do with the south was erased from history. The Boarnician tribes were kicked out of Scotland by James the 2nd in 1605 and thats why all the Scotch Irish folks ended up in the south.The Victor writes the history and thats too bad we end up missing a lot of interesting facts about our founders. But I'll watch the rewritten history Sunday night. :hmm:

 

[mikee51848]

Their motto: "History, as only the History Channel can present it". :winking:

We'll see... :hmm:

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Their motto: "History, as only the History Channel can present it". :winking:

We'll see... :hmm:

"History, as only the History Channel [strike]can[/strike] chooses to present it".

HC goes wobbly and PC on most everything.

 

[RangerThacher]

Here's a preview of the show here on youtube . It looks pretty good.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSnmpF7sEuE&mode=related&search=

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf0Zxt6g1Pw&mode=related&search=

 

[NY Irish]

What a minute, what are you talking about? Where did you get the idea that Jamestown is not in the school history books? And who is this "James 2nd" of Scotland from 1605? James Stuart became king of England in 1603 and was titled James I (he was James VI of Scotland). The Scots-Irish of the South were planters (or Undertakers, as they are called in Ireland) who had been given lands in Ulster after the defeat of Hugh O'Neil and Hugh O'Donnell in 1601. After the English placed Mercantilistic restraints on the linen trade, which the Scots Undertakers in Ulster dominated, they began moving to the American colonies.

 

[redwing]

Sorry you are :nono: a product of the modern school. I was talking about the Borenician tribes that were removed to England, Ireland , and America. They were the border tribes that did not accept James and the English take over of Scotland. That was 1605 to 1607.
It would take more time to educate you than I have. You are a product of the north eastern propaganda. To bad, carry on. :nono:

 

[TANSTAAFL]

After the War between the states it was removed from all the school books.

Vae victis!

 

[faw3]

"History, as only the History Channel can chooses to present it".
As a history teacher just comeing out of war in R V N a lot to young and a dad that moved every year or 2 because he was Air Force for 30 yrs, I got to see a bunch of the world, meet tons of people, and when it comes to US history this has got to have the worse schools in the world ( Ive got 36 and 16 yr old so Ive seen the change) At 56 yrs old stuff I just "knew" when I was 10 about America my 16 yr old and all his friends have never had a clue to like any of the sayings of old Ben Frank... ect Fred :hatsoff: N0ooo child left(?) behind my but. :rotf:

 

[redwing]

I like that, "woe to the Vanquished" quote from Livy {59 BC-AD17. I studied Latin for four years in Undergrad had no choice. Thanks for the quote caused me to think.
The history of the Orange men who moved to the south and over the Mtns. was part of the "Big Scratch Out" in American History. They did not like a strong central government. Unlike the Green Men Who did not show up until the 1820s. These folks stayed more in the North East, and liked the strong cenral government. Even though they were shot in the streets of NY for draft protest.
I am sorry but the "Undertaker" is a slur to the early Scotch-Irish. Over 270,000 left the Plantation in Northern Ireland from about 1615-1770. They fought the Englaish and moved over the "Wilderness Road" in mass after the War of 1812.
My fore bearers were "Redwings" from Virginia. Redwings were called so because they tied red cloth around their upper left arms. We have many Orange Counties named so and not after the fruit.
The point is that the history of these folks only happen if you dig into history. :hmm:

 

[TANSTAAFL]

The point is that the history of these folks only happen if you dig into history.

Oh, Andrew Jackson was of Scotch via northern Ireland stock, and he certainly made history, enough for several men in fact. From the Carolinas west, the early country was predominately settled by the Scotch and Scotch-Irish.

So many of the Early Scotch and Scotch-Irish traders intermarried with the Cherokee, Creek, Chickasaw, and other tribes, their offspring became known as the Breeds and constituted an almost separate entity, except Indian family ties and loyalties were maintained through the matriarchal nature of their societies.

 

[jbg]

I just typed Borencian Tribes into Google and hit my search engine. Nothing came up. Is my computer suffering from Northeastern propaganda? As I am located in the NE, that may be a possibility. Why don't some of our southern members try it and see what their results might be. I would hate to think Redwing might be pulling our collective legs here.
Perhaps he might help direct me to where I could find some information on these Borencian tribes?

 

[mastrsgt]

jbg,

I couldn't find it using the spellings Redwing used. Try searching under "Bernician tribes" and you may have more luck. Is that the correct spelling Redwing?

Don R

 

[Bullmoose]

Well I saw the show, and they gave a lot of credit to the local natives or they would have all died. I liked the show and liked all the informaton from desidents of Natives in that area

 

[Trot]

I don't know what history books you have been reading. I went to school in the 1960's and 1970's, and I learned all about Jamestown, Roanoke, George Washington, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, etc. The Revolutionary war ended in Virginia, with the Continental army commanded by a Virginian. My kids are in school today and they are taught that Jamestown was the first permanent English settlement in North America, just as it always has been. I have never heard the claim that the Plymouth colony was the first [except maybe from someone who forgot to study for a test].

 

[jbg]

Thanks,Don,
I was able to find a great deal of information, all of it pertaining to the early and middle Medieval Period.

 

I don't know what history books you have been reading. I went to school in the 1960's and 1970's, and I learned all about Jamestown, Roanoke, George Washington, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, etc. The Revolutionary war ended in Virginia, with the Continental army commanded by a Virginian. My kids are in school today and they are taught that Jamestown was the first permanent English settlement in North America, just as it always has been. I have never heard the claim that the Plymouth colony was the first [except maybe from someone who forgot to study for a test].

I agree. It seems that some people's sense of reality is more inaccurate (biased?) than the school system they complain about. :rotf:

 

[redwing]

I dom't reacall picking you out as an example. Yes, not every soul missed the right history. This has been been put forth by the North Eastern Est. going back to to 1865. The founding of America was by these folks the "Pilgrams". Ask nine out of ten folks, thats the answer you will get. When in fact the founding was in Virginia, Jamestown, Williamsburg was the most populated and had more wealth than any in New England until 1770. They produced Washington, Madison, Jefferson and many presidents. After 1865 these fact were put down for years. I did not say forever, of course these facts were renewed after WW11. The point if you look close some of this still exists in modern history. :hmm: