Dixie Jager

Yes, the Dixie sling laces in an" X" pattern up front and is slotted in back for the button. The leather is rather thick and the buckle is heavy. I cut my buckle off and laced it back together. Now it is much lighter and no buckle to scratch up the stock(thanks for the tip, Birddog6). I no longer have my Pedersoli Jaeger but the sling is on my TOTW Jaeger. TOTW also offers some sharp looking "Jaeger" slings made partly of cloth. I kinda miss that old Dixie Jaeger.

 

[Wes/Tex]

The latest issue of "Guns Of The Old West" has an article by Mike Beliveau of the Dixie "Jaeger" rifle. His comments include the expected gripes about plastic nose cap & toe plate which Dixie advertised as "simulated horn"!?!? The lock is described as "sparks like a flamethrower". He asked Dixie about the fast twist and got the answer "the pitch is optimized for shooting sabots".

Under "Shooting Impressions", he says he used 80 grains of Goex FFg, .018" lubed patching and a .530" ball. He had to switch to .012" patching to continue shooting without having to hammer the load down. The load gave 1,470 fps and produced a "one hole groups" at 25 yards and 6 inch groups at 100 yards.

His basic remarks were that Dixie should change the twist to 1-72", replace the plastic with browned steel like the rest of the gun, and adopt a straight ramrod instead of the traditional tapered one. He finished by answering "Yes!" to "would you recommend the Dixie Jaeger...interesting results from a gun definiely set up to NOT shoot a patched ball!

 

[Zonie]

Well, where else is a better place to ask a PC question than right here on the Muzzleloading Forum?

Question: Is it proper to shoot a Patched Round Ball from a Jaeger?

Almost all of the information I have read about Jaegers made the point that the German Hunters who used these rifles drove the ball into the rifleing, unpatched, with a hammer or mallet!
They then proceeded to ram it down to the powder with the ramrod.

If this is true, then the patch should not be used. :: ::

 

[Bob J]

Nice sling...and beautiful jeager! :thumbsup:

 

[tg]

"Question: Is it proper to shoot a Patched Round Ball from a Jaeger?"

This came up om another forum and it was determined by many who have studied the European gun history that the patched ball waas common in these guns and the hammer down a bare ball method may be more fancy than fact.

 

[Tahquamenon]

"My research indicates that the DGW Jaeger kit is as "PC" as any."

I am sure you will enjoy your new gun but the statement above indicates you may need to look a bit closer at what is out there and at the originals, no flame intended, but it is best to be aware of exactly what you have if you find yourself in the company of well studied gun students and make "PC" related claims about a particular gun... that isn't. enjoy your new smoke pole there will probably be many more to come.... it's a sickness.

TG,

Please let us know what specifically is not PC with the DGW/DP Jaeger other than the nose cap?

Also, I was under the impression that many of the original Jaeger's had faster rifling, but not real sure there.

Thanks!

Tahquamenon

 

This is like the guy that drives his pickup into the Rolls Royce dealership and asks the price fo a Silver Cloud. The dealer replies that "if you have to ask you can't afford it!"

If one cannot see the eliminations, substitutions and concession made in the Dixie product as comparted to a true jagger It will not matter. Go ahead and buy the gun. You'll probably just go out and shoot conicals and sabbots out of it anyway and the inline shooters will "oooh" and "aaah" over it sufficiently since they know no different either.

Research includes comparison with the true object, hot what is in the SportSouth and Cabella's catalogues. Actually picking up an origional jagger is a help, but not possible for most people. Just looking at the pictures should be sufficient for this purpose.

This gun bears absolutely no resemblence to a true jagger. The barrel is wrong, the lock is wrong, the archecture of the stock is atrocious, the furnature is wrong and part of it is plastic.

The rifling twist is of no consciquence, since Jaggers with fast, slow, srtaight rifleing and no rifling all exist. When they are rifled the groves are cut DEEP, not the .005" grap on this barrel None exist, that I know of, that do not have swamped barrels.

This is no more a jagger than 99% of the "Hawkins" out there actually resemble a true plains rifle.

This gun is closer to a CVA Missouri Hunter than anything that ever came out of the european or american rifle building tradition.

I am glad that Turner Kirckland did not live to see the crap his boys are trying to pass off on the public on the few times they can actually fill an order. He would roll in his grave.

:m2c:

 

[Tahquamenon]

This is like the guy that drives his pickup into the Rolls Royce dealership and asks the price fo a Silver Cloud. The dealer replies that "if you have to ask you can't afford it!"

If one cannot see the eliminations, substitutions and concession made in the Dixie product as comparted to a true jagger It will not matter. Go ahead and buy the gun. You'll probably just go out and shoot conicals and sabbots out of it anyway and the inline shooters will "oooh" and "aaah" over it sufficiently since they know no different either.

Mr Ghost sir, I take great exception to these comments.

:bull:

I ask a sincere question and this is the best you can do?

Such a sharp, opinionated reply.

But thanks for the reply nonetheless.

Now we all know that 99% of the DGW/DP Jaeger or J

 

[Stumpkiller]

Dixie Jaeger

Fairly truthful repro.

Any questions?

 

[Tahquamenon]

Nope.

These look a little different as well.

http://www.elverumske.no/esc_english/weapon_eng.htm

http://www.blackhartlongarms.com/guns/1-25-2002/index.html

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/al508.htm

http://www.19thcenturyweapons.com/ef205/jaeger.html

http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com/prod04.htm (keyword search: jaeger)

http://www.hessen-militaer.de/mizi_englisch/jaeger.htm

http://www.midiowa.com/hootalrifleshop/marshall_rifle.htm

http://www.buffalobillsshootingstore.com/antique.html

 

[Stumpkiller]

So what have we learned?

Davide Pedersoli puts out a chopped Lancaster with a spurious curved buttplate and calls it a "J

 

Solution: don't call it a 'jaeger', call it a cut down American rifle and get rid of the plastic nosecap, then enjoy it, if that is what you want. If you want a jaeger, buy something else. :m2c: :imo: :shocking:

 

[PaulN/KS]

I was lucky enough to pick up a slightly used TVM Jaeger at a good price last year and it is a very nice rifle.The Dixie version did catch my eye when they first came out but the differences are pretty obvious between it and the more accurate renditions.TVM puts out a good product and the price difference is worth it.

 

Mr Ghost sir, I take great exception to these comments.

:bull:

I ask a sincere question and this is the best you can do?

Such a sharp, opinionated reply.

But thanks for the reply nonetheless.

Now we all know that 99% of the DGW/DP Jaeger or J

 

Beautiful example, Stumpkiller! You can easily tell by the style of trigger gaurd that this piece is of the Brandenburg School of gunbuilding. Berlin is located right smack dab in the middle of the Brandenburg region. The lock plate is quite close to the Davis Jaeger lock. Most locks from this area were round faced but a few examples of this exact type are in Shumway's Jaeger book. These have a bold curve in them just as the Davis lock which some say is not correct but the photos prove otherwise. Heck, even the triggers are like R.E. Davis' offerings. Putting those two photos up together sure proves a point. :thumbsup: The builder of the bottom reproduction sure did their homework!

 

[blackhorse]

To the Ghost reply. My main question for you would be,,, "How many of your fine pieces that you shoot were made STRICTLY the way pieces were made in the 18th century"??? Most people I know don't have pieces that were made in 17 whatever. Research also indicates that due to the technology of the time, these period pieces were not mass produced, therefore it is quite POSSIBLE that no two pieces were exactly the same. Also, the "JAEGER" pronounced Yaeger ,,,Not "Jagger" was made all over mid Europe, there apparently are German "jaegers", Swiss "jaegers", Dutch "jaegers". And I read "somewhere" that jaeger translates to hunter, Might I assume that a "jaeger rifle" is a hunting rifle produced somewhere in mid Europe.. Now please clear up my confusion,,, Which Jaeger does the DGW Jaeger not look like. ???? Besides the plastic....

 

[tg]

I think if you compare the shape of the buttplate, the drop in the stock, the barrel profile, the front sight,the typical step in the wrist, for a few of the obvious, it is clearly not very close to the originals, much like the TC Hawken is not much like a real Hawken, once again they may be good guns but fall short of a true replica of the general type whose name they carry. They may well be an economical way to get into a good gun as compared to a custom priced one but it is a stretch to habg a PC lable on them, and this is from a point of form and function not exact materials and manufacture methods. Many original ML guns had fast rifleing with deep groves and probably shot ball well but within a narrow range of powder loads.

 

Hello blackhorse. You are very correct about the different styles among the germanic hunting rifles or "jaeger buchen". In the germanic lands there was Bavaria, Vienna School, Carlsbad School, Saxony, Brandenburg School(my favorite), Chronach, Suhl School, North Central Germany(very odd trigger guards), Rhine Valley and Copenhagen,Denmark. her is what the Dixie has in common with jaeger type rifles: a short barrel and a sliding wooden patchbox. Which jaeger does the Dixie offering not look like? All germanic Jaeger buchen had swamped barrels, no germanic jaeger type rifles had exact copies of John Bivens rifle furniture and the Dixie gunstock misses the overall heft and butt profile so common to the old originals. Don't get me wrong sir, I loved my Dixie Jaeger but Ghost spoke the truth and that kind of truth stings. After I bought my Dixie Fakenjaeger I was so proud until I started logging onto Muzzle Loader Magazine forum and fatdutchman told me like it was without sugar coating things...I needed that because I realized I would have to build a jaeger if I wanted to be as true to authenticity as possible. I traded my DGW Jaeger to TOTW towards a Jaeger kit. I wished I had asked questions before buying anything. I've really studied jaegers since then which has made me more aware of the DGW Jaeger's shortcomings. It's a good rifle but it is what it is.

 

[tg]

Good post Jaegermaster,I recall your journey as you shared it with us all, it can take a great deal of time to research and be able to know what you are or are not looking at with ML guns, I spent a year and a half in the thinking mode before buying the parts for my French Fusil,non replica guns are fine but as you said, they are what they are...or aren't.

 

[Old Charlie]

None of your guns are replicas. Nor are the PC. They, to start with are made of steel. Not Iorn like the real Mc Coy. You may spend a lot of money but you are no more PC than the the guy with the Dixie Jaeger!
Old Charlie