does a kukri have any place in muzzleloading?

[Claude Mathis]

:what:

Thank God I had to work today.

This thread could have gotten me banned from playing on the forum permanantly!!

I almost had to ban myself, but then I tried to see the humor in it. :shocking:

 

[Keith]

"I can't wait to hear your "story".
Claude, you had to ask. No one to blame but yourself.

Alright Stumpy finish the story I gotta hear the rest. :crackup:

P.S. Ghost you might want to ignore this thread it is going to get weird.

 

[NevadaBlue]

We do so many things for fun and then ruin it because of 'rules'. Why even associate with folks who don't know or understand the history we want to preserve? Going to a meet where someone has the gall to walk up and question what you are wearing doesn't sound like a reasonable thing to do.

Have fun, wear a kukri and make the story fit.

 

[iainofulva]

I used to be in the SCA, and got more than my fill of this nonsense of "Greetings! My name is Malcolm Haasam Wong, I was born in the Hebrides but captured by Viking traders and sold in the bazaar in Tripoli, where I eventually gained my freedom by converting to Islam, and the Grand Vizier made me his ambassador to the court of the Emperor of China: that's why I'm carrying a claymore, and a composite Turkish bow...."

I am so glad to have moved away from all THAT manure as well.

SCA stands for "Society of Compulsive Authenticity."

Jon

 

[Claude Mathis]

We do so many things for fun and then ruin it because of 'rules'.

Historical authenticity is not a rule, it just is. Having fun by yourself is one thing, but participating with others can involve rules and guidelines.

Why even associate with folks who don't know or understand the history we want to preserve?

That's a great question. Some people are very much into, as you say, preserving history. That's why there are rules. Otherwise, you'd have people showing up at events wearing all kinds of outrageous stuff, trying to justify it with a unique "story".

... wear a kukri and make the story fit.

Just to clarify... Does that way of thinking also allow for a Samurai sword and Roman helmet at an 1840 Rendezvous? I don't mean that sarcastically. After all, they did exist somewhere in the world at that time. I'm seriously asking if this line of thinking can be taken seriously.

Carried to it's extreme this would certainly dilute any sense of history and heritage for those trying to reenact and convey history to the viewing public? Let's face it, if you were making a movie about the American Revolution, you wouldn't arm some of the men with a "kukri". On the other hand, if that's the only knives you had, you'd have to come up with a story line to explain this phenomenon and hope the audience bought it.

To me, an historical reenactment should not look like a modern costume party where everyone represents a different character from around the world.

I guess it all depends on what your motivation is for reenacting in the first place. Of course if you're not "reenacting" and you're just "goofing around", it really makes no difference.

Claude "taking his reenacting a little too seriously" Mathis eace:

 

[Deadeye]

My thoughts exactly, Claude.

 

[Old40Rod]

Right. And when you show up at the local Rendezvous riding a camel, wearing a turban and toting a Roman short sword, I can't wait to hear your "story".

Great... now what I am going to do with this camel?

:crackup:

 

Actually, the U.S. Army had a Camel Corps, during the Indian Wars, out in the western desert!

You could explain the camel easier than a kukri!

Just had to stick that in there!!

 

[Claude Mathis]

Actually, the U.S. Army had a Camel Corps, during the Indian Wars, out in the western desert!

You could explain the camel easier than a kukri!

Yep, your post-1860 persona could say he bought one at an auction or found one running loose in the desert.

"With the first shots of the Civil War, the Camel Military Corps was as good as dead. Most of the animals were auctioned off, although a few escaped into the desert where most were shot by prospectors and hunters as pests."

 

[tg]

I saw the topic some time back and did not even open the post then,it was so absurd that I found no desire to be a part of it........... sometimes it is pointless to offer an opinion based on fact rather than fancy, and most of these forums are strongly driven by the latter due to a very shallow level of historic interest......I wonder if a set of numchucks would fit in my haversack????????

 

[vradin]

Right. And when you show up at the local Rendezvous riding a camel, wearing a turban and toting a Roman short sword, I can't wait to hear your "story".

Great... now what I am going to do with this camel?

I hear camel goes well with mashed potatos and green beans.

After reading this thread, it's perfectly clear now, from the perspective of someone who's never been to a rondy... if I ever do get a chance to go, I'm getting togged up as a Roman Centurion... post-war camp follower and merchant with too much time on his hands who spends HIS weekends re-enacting the Pellopenesian Wars.

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

Vic the terminally silly at 4am

 

[capnwilliam]

if I ever do get a chance to go, I'm getting togged up as a Roman Centurion... post-war camp follower and merchant with too much time on his hands who spends HIS weekends re-enacting the Pellopenesian Wars.

You laugh, but I know of someone in the SCA whose persona is that of a rich guy in 1601 (the end of the SCA's period) whose hobby is getting dressed up in medieval garb with his friends. Therefore he gets to portray anyone he wishes from the medieval era, and he's always portraying a persona, within a persona!

Capt. William

 

You really do have to know a tremendous amount of history to PO as many people as some of us can.

Some of my friends an I have been known to make historic site directors cry and send their resident "button Nazis" into fits that involved slobering and twitching. Just try walking around a nationally know historic site with your documentation notes pinned to various parts of your clothing. One of my friends did this after being sent a nasty letter about the PCness of his shoes.

I think some of you guys are about to catch up with us on the learning curve!

We can do a thread like this when other "history forums" take themselves so seriously they do not know how to have any fun as they learn or teach. Of course we do assume that the average post reader has enough common sense to seperate our kidding from the actual information.

Yea, right, guess I blew that line of logic all to .....

 

[bezoar]

this may get me shot or banned but its going to validate the Kukri being in the possession of a fur trapper out in the rockies.

I honestly found an actually liscensed and certified SCA group where i go to college, i talked to one of the members, and these "anally cumpulsive authentic" individuals let her "accurately portray a female Master Torturer of the 1500's" while running around in BONDAGE GEAR. yep people, if this can be done, i dont see how a kukri can be out of charecter.

 

[Stumpkiller]

. . . "accurately portray a female Master Torturer of the 1500's" while running around in BONDAGE GEAR.

We don't count spikes, we rip stitches.

I been hanging around the wrong campfires. That one sounds better than arguin over what the correct pitch for a bean f*rt would have been from a 18th century butt.

 

[Keith]

I'd like to join their next get together. Do you have a contact person and phone number? Preferably the dominatrix's number. :thumbsup:

 

[Claude Mathis]

this may get me shot or banned but its going to validate the Kukri being in the possession of a fur trapper out in the rockies.

I honestly found an actually liscensed and certified SCA group where i go to college, i talked to one of the members, and these "anally cumpulsive authentic" individuals let her "accurately portray a female Master Torturer of the 1500's" while running around in BONDAGE GEAR. yep people, if this can be done, i dont see how a kukri can be out of charecter.

Okay, what am I missing here. What does this example have to do with a Rocky Mountain fur trapper?

With all due respect, does this mean if I find documentation that someone used anything, anywhere in 1750, that's documentation to use it with a Colonial America persona?

Your example does not make a case for historical research or the credibility of the group sited.

 

[vradin]

Okay, what am I missing here. What does this example have to do with a Rocky Mountain fur trapper?

Apologies to our most gracious host, but I believe what you may have missed is the tongue planted firmly in cheek, and what I took as a semi-derisive hit at one of the foibles of the SCA, where certain people are allowed (and even encouraged) to substitute research for an ample bosom and historical documentation for fewer garments.

vic

 

[Claude Mathis]

Okay, what am I missing here. What does this example have to do with a Rocky Mountain fur trapper?

Apologies to our most gracious host, but I believe what you may have missed is the tongue planted firmly in cheek, and what I took as a semi-derisive hit at one of the foibles of the SCA, where certain people are allowed (and even encouraged) to substitute research for an ample bosom and historical documentation for fewer garments.

If that's the case, I missed it by more than a mile. :crackup:

Sometimes it's hard to tell the humor from the real posts because they can be equally outrageous. eace:

 

[bezoar]

Iwas trying to show that just about anything is accepted by "historians" if you make a decent case