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Light Dragoon

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I just got a Doglock pistol delivered to me from Middlesex Village Traders and it's pretty nifty. It's a "made in India" arm, so the quality is exactly Boutet, but it will do. It's a decent, serviceable arm intended for rough use and ought to stand up to anything I'm likely to hand over to it.

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(This image is from The Discriminating General's site, they also have this pistol for sale.

As you can tell even in this picture, the pan-cover isn't fitted quite right... they got the hole for the frizzen screw too far back, but it can be fitted to within reason with a few licks of a file.

The lock is an "English Lock" with both an internal (though laterally acting) safety on the tumbler and a dog catch on the cock. The sear acts on the tail of the cock just like with a snaphaunce, and in fact there isn't a whole lot of difference between them other than the frizzen and pancover being joined. These locks have been found in numbers both in Jamestown and Plimoth Colonies, so they're dead on for early American Colonial. Not that there were any Cavalry in Colonial America much before the middle of the century, but there certainly were targeteers who were armed with a broadsword, shield and pistol.

I thought it was pretty nifty that it pretty well fulfills the requirements laid down by John Cruso in 1632 for a Cuirassier's weapons (although he specified wheellocks rather than doglocks):

He must have two cases with good firelocks, pistols hanging at his saddle, having a barrell of 18 inches long, and the bore of 20 bullets to the pound (or 24 rowling in)...

This pistol is a tad short, being only made with a 16 inch barrel: darn! But it's of the right calibre, and would be a decent arm to slip into the saddle holsters of a Roundhead Trooper, or a Cavalier for that matter. Or be carried by a Targeteer at Jamestown.

Anyway, it sparks well and sets off the priming every time that I've tried it so far, isn't bad looking, and the lock is a pretty darned good reproduction of the early locks that were pumped out in numbers first for Colonial America then for the English Civil War. Not pretty, but serviceable.

Cheers,

Gordon
 
thank you, Light Dragoon,
For the picture of your new gonne. And for the history lesson! Anything old, unusual and esoteric, hurrah! Most interesting. Have fun! :master: :master: :master: :hatsoff: :thumbsup: :hmm: :shocking:
God bless.
volatpluvia
 
Wny, Thank you, Sir! Much appreciated kind words! :hatsoff:

After I take it out into the back pasture to blow off a few rounds I'll give a report on that, too, LOL!

And now to get a second one, so I have a pair like I'm supposed to... :)

Cheers!

Gordon
 
"Lookeen-Goood!" From the size of the stock, it looks like they could have gone with more bore size...well, for my next project!!!!!!!
 
Wes;

Well the thing IS about as big as those "Blanket Guns" that were popular among the Rendezvous crowd a few years ago. Big boy, this pistol! The bore size is just about right though, I think. Although there were later experiments with "Carbine Bore" pistols (.65"-.69") by the English, French and Americans, the smaller bore sizes (.54"-.56") seem to have been reverted to pretty quickly. And besides, 20-bore is what's called for in the manual, LOL! :)

Doglock, glad you came on board! What sort of info would you like to see? I'll step out the back door and load up!

Cheers,

Gordon
 
I was wondering what kind of accuracy you get, at range, and as I've not yet had the chance to play with on of those it would be helpful if you could list what is generally expected of a pistol of that type. Also, how much powder are you using? Max load?

Thanks
 
With a tight fitting ball it ought to be pretty darned accurate at out to 15-25 yards or so, and by accurate I mean as accurate as most modern stuff at that range (fired from a rest, etc.). "Ought to be" being the defining words! I know that tests done in Graz with original firearms showed that pistols have a very high potential for accuracy withing their intended range, with is, of course, REALLY CLOSE! :: For horse use, as this was intended, 15-25 yards would be about it. But I'll have to stick a piece of paper out on a stump tomorrow and find out!

For a load, I just used 40 grains of 3fg, though I'm sure it would take more. If I wanted to shoot someone wearing armour I'd sure stoke it up a lot more! But for fun shooting, I think that 40 grains in a pistol is probably about right, with 60 being a maximum.

I hope this more or less answered your questions!

Cheers,

Gordon
 
I purchased the same doglock from Middlesex. Have not shot it yet. What caliber is yours? Mine measures .65 with a simple bore gauge. Where can I find .63 balls?
 
Lyman used to make a .648 ball mould, you could try that unpatched with wads over and under. Or dixie will make any size mould you want from .310 to .875 in .001 increments - just measure that bore exactly...
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I purchased the same doglock from Middlesex. Have not shot it yet. What caliber is yours? Mine measures .65 with a simple bore gauge. Where can I find .63 balls?

Hmmm... I didn't actually get around to measuring the bore diameter, but the .600" ball I use in my 20-bore fit down nicely, with decent compression. I've seen descriptions for these ranging from ".60" Caliber" to "20-gauge", which aren't the same thing, so I suspect it's whatever the seamless tubing in the shop happened to be that day is what you got!

I think that taking out the cock, heating it up and giving it a longer throw would be a good idea too... Let me know how you like it when you shoot it, since I just ordered another one. Gotta have a pair, you know! ::

Cheers,

Gordon
 
It could be 16mm (.629") internal diameter tubing, plus a bit depending on how rough the bore of the tubing was coming out of the steel mill :)
 
Thanks for the reply. I'm shure you're right about the seamless tubing. I will have the bore measured with a mic. With deep-groove cut-rifled barrels the general rule was one caliber less than the barrel (flats) with 10-15 thousands patching. But for a smooth-bore with a single ball, I hear that would be too tight? Use two calibers less 1.e. .63 in a .65 bore? with 20-thousands patching? Anyones thoughts on this?
 
After you receive the second pistol, you ain't done. You now need a breastplate and lobster-tail helmet :) The lock seems to require a narrow, but long flint to reach the frizzen corectly. I will try a couple different ones from track of the wolf.
 
Ricky;

Well, in the period they were really into windage! My 1632 manual states "20-bore, with 28-bore balls roweling in". Yikes, a .62" shooting a .58" ball! Of course they usually used paper wrapped around the ball as part of the cartridge for patching, but still it's a bit extreme!

From my experience and understanding, you get better accuracy from a smooth bore by using a close fitting ball, rather than by patching a smaller one. I use a .600" round ball in a .62" caliver pretty effectively, and a .715" ball in my 12-bore musket (which is supposed to be .72", but I have never measured it). But you sure do have to wipe the bore often that way!

Cheers!

Gordon
 
After you receive the second pistol, you ain't done. You now need a breastplate and lobster-tail helmet :) The lock seems to require a narrow, but long flint to reach the frizzen corectly. I will try a couple different ones from track of the wolf.

I'm WAY ahead of you, Bro! I have my Burgonet and Corselet, and made up a holster for the first one already. Here's a pic with "Squire Bob" (my wife) though I wasn't wearing the burgonet OR the Corselet at the time, just my buff coat. And REALLY, the doglock was in the holster on the other side of the saddle! (The holster you can see has my wheellock pistol in it :: )

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(We did an event this past weekend with some Medievalist EQ friends that was a hoot...)

And you're right, it DOES require a rather long, skinny flint! Exact opposite of the TRS Snaphaunce Lock, unfortunately!

Cheers,

Gordon
 
WOW!!! Great pic of you and your squire. You should post a pic of you with the armour holding the doglock. Thanks for info. :RO:
 
WOW!!! Great pic of you and your squire. You should post a pic of you with the armour holding the doglock. Thanks for info. :RO:

I will as soon as I get one, LOL! (Photo, that is!)

The photo I have of me shooting it just doesn't want to post, unfortunately!

Cheers,

Gordon
 
When you get the bore size figured out I'd recommend that you try Track since they handle pre-cast balls in many sizes. May be interesting to see how different sized balls behave before you invest in a mold. :m2c:
 
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