Dutch Schoultz System

I have been shooting flintlocks for over 30 years, and can shoot all day long without any problems. Most of the deep dark secrets that many people come up to make shooting easier, I have tried many years ago.

I think I will save my $15, and buy another pound of powder.

The question was, "is it worth investing $15 for it?" Only people who have actually used it know if it's "worth it". You obliviously have nothing to contribute as you've never tried the system.

Back on topic: It works great. I highly recommend it. It's well worth the money and everyone can learn something from it, unless of coarse, you know everything already. :haha:

Nope, I just don't like throwing my money away searching for a solution to a non-existant problem.

It must be hard to find a hat in your size. :rotf:

 

[Frank/Pa]

I don't wear a hat.

 

I don't wear a hat.

That was my point, they don't make them that big. :rotf:

Sorry, but your criticism of something you know nothing about cracked me up. It's hard not to find it funny. I'm done. :v

 

[reddog]

I have been shooting flintlocks for over 30 years, and can shoot all day long without any problems. Most of the deep dark secrets that many people come up to make shooting easier, I have tried many years ago.

I think I will save my $15, and buy another pound of powder.

I tend to agree with you.
The question was, "is it worth investing $15 for it?" Only people who have actually used it know if it's "worth it". You obliviously have nothing to contribute as you've never tried the system.

Back on topic: It works great. I highly recommend it. It's well worth the money and everyone can learn something from it, unless of coarse, you know everything already. :haha:

Nope, I just don't like throwing my money away searching for a solution to a non-existant problem.

 

[Frank/Pa]

I don't wear a hat.

That was my point, they don't make them that big. :rotf:

Sorry, but your criticism of something you know nothing about cracked me up. It's hard not to find it funny. I'm done. :v

I don't know what your problem is Bub, but this turned childish about your 1st or 2nd post. There is no point in continuing this exercise in futility.

 

[Mike 56]

Everyone has their own opinion thats why their is chocolate and vanilla. Why don't we agree to disagree.

Mike

 

[Blizzard of '93]

I've read some about Dutch's shooting method and I always dry wipe a patch between shots useing a loose fitting patch. it wads up and drags fouling out with it. before I was 'enlightened' I was useing a tight patch as for a PRB and it would jam in the barrel. that's no good there you have to pour water/lube down the bore to un-stick the jammed patch. this 'method' works for me, I shoot a .50 with fairly heavy loads (72grs 3F) and get 3" and under groups from the bench at 50 yards. a good day 2" or under. I never claimed to be the best shot.

 

[crossxsticks]

sorry blizzard I ment this to responce to steelerzzz

 

[crossxsticks]

guess i missed the point of topic , and i apologize for that. I was trying to summarise a little of what was in it. # (1) question was it worth 15 bucks well like i said it has been a few years ago but at the (time) it was worth it to me but here is the deal its money back guarantee for a 30 day trial, so i guess if you get it and don't think it is worth it you can get the 15 bucks back. Everett

 

[longcruise]

Has anybody tried the Dutch Schoultz system...is it worth investing $15 for it?

I like Dutch. He's a great guy and super entertaining. But, I find the soluble oil moose milk leaves brown goombah in my barrel be it used wet or dry patch.

Other than that, the shooting procedures work just great.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

I have been shooting flintlocks for over 30 years, and can shoot all day long without any problems. Most of the deep dark secrets that many people come up to make shooting easier, I have tried many years ago.

I think I will save my $15, and buy another pound of powder. Nope I just don't like finding solutions to non exsisting problems

:bull:


I called and talked to Dutch for at least two hours four years ago and bought his pamplet.
I LEARNED TONS!!!
I used Ballistol as my water soluable oil which workes AUSOM!
I no longer use it because I am more traditional now and use elk tallow and marmot oil for hunting and a wet patch during off hand compititon so I don't have to swab between shots.
But get it use it and LEARN :thumbsup:
You will learn about consistancy,patch thickness,swabbing between shots,stringing, how to read your groups,weighing balls etc....
It will make you more confindent of yourself your rifle and your shooting and hunting abilities.
Just one note of caution. True rifle accuaracy is addicting your work and marrage may suffer.
Good luck
:hatsoff:

 

[Rat Trapper]

I think it is well worth the $15, and if you don't agree he will refund your money. Or a person can just try to figure it out on his own, which will cost you more and take up a lot of your time before you get there.

 

[renovato]

Has anybody tried the Dutch Schoultz system...is it worth investing $15 for it?

I like Dutch. He's a great guy and super entertaining. But, I find the soluble oil moose milk leaves brown goombah in my barrel be it used wet or dry patch.

Other than that, the shooting procedures work just great.

Substitute Ballistol for the soluble oil and that problem goes away. Also a bit more accurate, at least for me. Dutch's system is worth the money in my opinion.

 

[longcruise]

Substitute Ballistol for the soluble oil and that problem goes away.

Guess I could do that, but the lubes I use now produce the same results if I follow his cleaning and wiping regimen.

You would not beleive the list of lubes I've used over the years. Most with great success and some not so sucessful. One thing is certain, the price you pay that is not an accurate (nopun intended) measure of how well a lube will work.

Don't get me wrong, I highly recommend Dutch's system but just don't use the same lube nor do I mess around with dry lube anymore.

 

[Rat Trapper]

Dutch is currently recommending Ballistol, but there is more to his system than just the lube. What you get for your $15 would take most people years to figure out on your own,some may never get there on their own.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

Dutch is currently recommending Ballistol, but there is more to his system than just the lube. What you get for your $15 would take most people years to figure out on your own,some may never get there on their own.

exactly,
I agree with you and Marmot slayer I no longer use his system(worked up some of my own black juju)
But the info he inparts is worth a life time of trial and error.
A great way to bench your rifle.
:bow:

A great way to bench rest you rifle.

 

[longcruise]

What you get for your $15 would take most people years to figure out on your own,some may never get there on their own.

I agree, but prefer not to describe his system any further on a public forum out of respect for his intellectual property rights.

 

[curator]

Dutch makes it simple and understandable for the "less than scientific" shooter. It's the best $15 I've ever spent! I'm always surprised by the 'magical thinking' of many black powder shooters. Dutch cuts through the BS and gets right down to the important details. How much more can you get for a measley $15?

 

[TexiKan]

I can't remember how many years ago I got Dutch's system, but I will tell you it has merit and it has definitely made a postive difference in my shooting with much better accuracy.

At the time I got the "system" many of my fellow club members were advocates of the "number of powder grains per caliber" or the almost half-load-lob-em-in concepts. Like another posting, after follwing Dutch's recommendations, I found my .50 cal. fires best with .70 grains. Of course, it makes a good, healthy sound and "crack" which usually results in "how many grains are you using??!!!" exclamation.

Now, after all of these years, others are learning some of the same concepts.

As I said, the system has merit and improved results. Yes, it is worth the $15.00.

TexiKan

 

[douglas duncan]

well after obtaining my first traditional rifle and shooting patch round balls. I have made a great improvement in my shooting skills I contest that I can make the almighty clover leaf group with a round ball.

But I did not learn all of this from dutch shoultz system. I went and bought his system just last week and read it over. from what I gather i have already done.

I will say that I did find his information knowledgeable and would be help full to someone who is just starting out in shooting a muzzle loader. i also will admit that I do not know everything about muzzle loaders.

what I have been doing is talking to other people that do shoot. and take all this information and put it together and what did i find basically the same info that dutch shoultz is putting out.

I have also found that shooting a muzzle loader and reloading metallic cartridge's is basically the same. I have been reloading for 35 years and started putting the two together. Just think of the rifle as your rifle case and you can figure this out. for example seating/ and or crimping a bullet is doing the same job as the patch along with how hard you ram the ball down the barrel.

along with varying your powder charge will also obtain different results with the bullet impact.

I am not putting his system down, it just is not for me. I am also returning his information packet back to him.

shooting skills have to learned and the best way is to practice. You can put all the right components together but if you can not hold the rifle right and squeeze the trigger along with breathing control you will never have those clover leaf groups.