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Effectiveness of 20 Gauge Doubles

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Anyone have any of the 20 gauge percussion double barrels by Pedersoli? How does the performance compare with some of the larger gauges when using heavier loads and jug chokes in the 20?
If I get one I will have Danny Caywood jug choke it Mod & Mod.
I have lots of experience with flint 20 gauges in cylinder bore, but sometimes feel the need of a little extra range when pass shooting starlings , crows, blackbirds, and pigeons.
 
IMO, instead of spending the money on the barrel work, I would simply switch up to #2 shot. You won't get a lot of shot in that load, but 2's will penetrate all the aforementioned species easily. And, experience has taught me that you'll only need one pellet to do it.
 
I've played quite a bit with #2 shot in a double 12 gauge with CYL bores and a Brown Bess with an even larger bore.... At 1 1/2 oz in the 12, the pattern is sooooo thin at 30 yards, it would be absolutely futile at starling and blackbird, and maybe even pigeon. Things get a little better with the Bess at 1 3/4 oz of shot, but "better" measured in feet and not yards.

Go with the jug choking if you want to stretch your range a little. And find the size/weight combo that gives you the highest pattern density at the range you need. I'm betting you settle on # 7 1/2 or even #8 shot for the smaller two birds, and no bigger than #6 for crows and pigeons.

I've never gone above 1 1/8 oz of shot in my CYL 20, but that load is a credible ptarmigan gun (roughly pigeon size) to 30 yards with the # 7 1/2's and about 25 yards with the #6's.
 
Go with the jug choke AND the #2s. They hit with whomp just like the big ball out of rifles. I have used them turkey hunting an it puts em down :thumbsup:
 
1. Shoot it as-is, you might be suprised how well it does w/ cylinder bores.

2. You'd better call Caywood first. Pedersolli barrels are (sometimes?) chrome lined and may cause problems jug choking them.
 
My 20 gauge SxS from Pedersoli is Mod left and Cylinder right....70 grains of 2Fg and 7/8 ounce of #6 shot murders pheasants. The only time I ever limited out on pheasants was with that gun. Does well on chukkar too.

LD
 
My experience with the Pedersoli 20 is similar to Loyalist Dave's, although I use 1 ounce of 6's.

The modified barrel is not hard to load because the constriction on 20's is only about .013 for modified choke. The guns have chromed bores and I don't think Caywood will jug them (check before you buy).

While I like my 20 a lot, it's not a 12. Brown Bear published an excellent post on lighter 12's and the patterns they throw with a variety of loads from 7/8 to 1 1/4. It's just more versatile.
 
I would agree with laffindog. I've used a 20 for probably 10 yrs. I've taken everything from dove, pheasant, duck and turkey. Never a problem. I used lead where I can and ITX with a plastic wad for duck. Barrels are chrome lined on mine ( I emailed Pedersoli and asked.)
 
Before you spend money having the barrels jug choked, try loading your shot into a paper cup that you make yourself. You may have to experiment with different weights of paper to find what gives the desirable pattern in your gun. I have experimented with paper that ranged from printer paper to as heavy as index card stock.

The way to make your cups is to cut your paper in the shape of a + with the legs of the + being the width of your bore. The intersection of the + should be just a slight bit smaller than the bore itself so that it will easily slip into the bore. The length of the legs will be just long enough to enclose your chosen load. When the shot is poured into the cup, it should fill up to the ends of the cup legs. If the legs extend beyond the shot charge, cut them off level with the shot. Then make the rest of your paper cup legs so that they do not extend beyond the shot charge.

To load this shot cup, you put in your powder and then insert your OP wad just far enough into the muzzle so that you can sit the cup on the wad. Center the + on your muzzle and start it down the bore until the legs are just below the muzzle. As you insert your paper + into the muzzle, the legs will fold up to form the cup. The wad will support the cup as you fill it and not allow it to slide down the bore as soon as you start to pour your shot into it. You add the shot to the cup and then use your rod to seat the filled shot cup and OP wad down onto the powder. Add your OS card as usual.

I found that you can glue your OP wad onto the intersection of your paper + with a tiny dab of glue. This allows you to simply pick out a cup from your bag and insert it into your bore without having to bother with first putting the OP wad into the bore. It is all one unit. It was something that worked quite well for me. It has the added advantage of keeping the OP wad with the cup as it exits from the bore. The legs of the cup open and act like a parachute to cause the OP wad and paper cup to slow immediately as they exit from the muzzle and prevent either from passing through your shot string to cause a doughnut pattern.

Another advantage of the paper cup is that, when properly formed, the shot will never touch the inside of your bore. Therefore, you eliminate any leading problem in your bore.

It's an idea worth trying. :thumbsup:

If this doesn't give you the pattern that you want and you want to tighten it up even more, just send me a PM and I can tell you how to make a different paper cup that will tighten up your pattern.
 
Billnpatti said:
Before you spend money having the barrels jug choked, try loading your shot into a paper cup that you make yourself. You may have to experiment with different weights of paper to find what gives the desirable pattern in your gun. I have experimented with paper that ranged from printer paper to as heavy as index card stock.

The way to make your cups is to cut your paper in the shape of a + with the legs of the + being the width of your bore. The intersection of the + should be just a slight bit smaller than the bore itself so that it will easily slip into the bore. The length of the legs will be just long enough to enclose your chosen load. When the shot is poured into the cup, it should fill up to the ends of the cup legs. If the legs extend beyond the shot charge, cut them off level with the shot. Then make the rest of your paper cup legs so that they do not extend beyond the shot charge.

To load this shot cup, you put in your powder and then insert your OP wad just far enough into the muzzle so that you can sit the cup on the wad. Center the + on your muzzle and start it down the bore until the legs are just below the muzzle. As you insert your paper + into the muzzle, the legs will fold up to form the cup. The wad will support the cup as you fill it and not allow it to slide down the bore as soon as you start to pour your shot into it. You add the shot to the cup and then use your rod to seat the filled shot cup and OP wad down onto the powder. Add your OS card as usual.

I found that you can glue your OP wad onto the intersection of your paper + with a tiny dab of glue. This allows you to simply pick out a cup from your bag and insert it into your bore without having to bother with first putting the OP wad into the bore. It is all one unit. It was something that worked quite well for me. It has the added advantage of keeping the OP wad with the cup as it exits from the bore. The legs of the cup open and act like a parachute to cause the OP wad and paper cup to slow immediately as they exit from the muzzle and prevent either from passing through your shot string to cause a doughnut pattern.

Another advantage of the paper cup is that, when properly formed, the shot will never touch the inside of your bore. Therefore, you eliminate any leading problem in your bore.

It's an idea worth trying. :thumbsup:

If this doesn't give you the pattern that you want and you want to tighten it up even more, just send me a PM and I can tell you how to make a different paper cup that will tighten up your pattern.

I'm reading around to get ideas for using shot in my .62 cal fusil. As I recall, a shooter at my range used strips of paper shopping bag, crossed & loaded as you indicated. I'll be trying it next trip to the range / as soon as my bag of shot from Roto Metals is delivered.
 
My Pedersoli SBS 20ga has chrome line barrels. It is bored with fixed chokes in IC and Mod, which I think is near a perfect set up. The first shotgun I ever bought was a Spanish made center fired SBS 20ga also bored IC and Mod. I shot 7/8oz loads of #9 shot and killed enough squirrels, rabbits, pheasants, quail and doves to fill a pick up truck, level with the sides, so a 1oz load of 6's, 7 1/2's, 8's or 9's will do as well in the muzzleloader. Keep yer powder dry......Robin :wink:
 
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My Pedersoli 20 gauge is chromed also.
Experiment with the paper shot cups...it helps.
Also consider a buffer/filler like Cream of Wheat.
 

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