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Travis Gregory

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Is 60gr of FFG enough for deer in my .45cal with a .440 rb? I have a 32in barrel and will be shooting under 50 yds. Please dont tell me about 3f because I dont have any and wont be getting any.
 
The "Lyman Black Powder Handbook" didn't test a 32 inch barrel in .45 caliber but they did test a 28 inch 1:48 twist barrel.
For a 60 grain load of Goex 2Fg powder they got a muzzle velocity of 1614 FPS and a energy value of 741 Ft/Lbs.

My roundball ballistics calculator says a .440 diameter ball at that velocity would be traveling at 1116 FPS and 355 Ft/Lbs of energy at 50 yards.

While that should be enough for a deer if you hit him in the heart/lung area have you considered increasing your powder charge to 80 grains of 2Fg?

That would up the muzzle velocity to about 1768 FPS with an energy of about 889 Ft/Lbs. At 50 yards the velocity would be about 1192 FPS with about 405 Ft/Lbs of energy.
It would also shoot flatter than the 60 grain powder load which would make estimating distances less important.

Of course, if your gun starts loosing its accuracy with the hotter 80 grain load then stick with the most accurate one. :)
 
That load will work fine . I'v killed a few deer with a 45 and 60 grains of fff, all were within 50 yards and all went down within sight so i was happy with it.
 
That is the volume I used in 3f, I would goose it up a bit if it still groups well.
 
Turkhunter said:
Is 60gr of FFG enough for deer in my .45cal with a .440 rb? I have a 32in barrel and will be shooting under 50 yds. Please dont tell me about 3f because I dont have any and wont be getting any.
I'd agree that it would based on the condition above.
FWIW, I personally prefer what I call big game loads for big game...ie: 90grns as a general hunting charge has more flexibily on distances...but deer have been killed with .22's.
 
I have a CVA Kentucky .45, 33 inch barrel. Now I haven't shot a deer with it yet but 3 years ago I missed a deer because the tree stepped out in the way. Well it was a ash tree, and that 440 ball seated itself about 3 half inches into that tree. I don't think the ribs of a deer would slow it down to much. My load 65grs FFF but the deer and tree was 70 paces. So you will do just fine with yours. If you hit them in right spot it will do its job. Its those darn tree's that jump out in front where I'm trying to shoot. :rotf: Good luck
 
It sounds like enough to me . I've killed a lot of deer with 50 gr. in my 50 cal. Not really how hot a load but where you place ball . What load do you get best group .
 
My .45 flinter has a 39 inch barrel. My favorite load is 70 grains of FFFg with a .440 ball. If your .45 is a percussion and can't get any FFFg, try some Pyrodex P. A lot of people shoot it. Just a thought.
 
I've killed deer with a .45 with that load, no problemo. I know of poachers that kill them with .22 longs....they aren't hard to kill if hit properly.
 
Turkhunter said:
Is 60gr of FFG enough for deer in my .45cal with a .440 rb? I have a 32in barrel and will be shooting under 50 yds. Please dont tell me about 3f because I dont have any and wont be getting any.

Yes if that's the load you are determined to use it will do the job.
 
To get the maximum performance from that load of FFg powder, I recommend that you use an OP wad between the powder and PRB. Or, instead, use a filler( Corn meal, hornet's nest, etc.). The added mass, and the slight delay in the gases moving the ball down the barrel, will cause the chamber pressure to rise, as well as the temperature, so that the larger FFg granules of powder burn more completely. In my testing, use of the OP wad, or filler, helps to reduce the SDV from round to round, and gives better( smaller-ie. more accurate) groups.

You certainly have enough velocity to kill deer inside 50 yards, and usually a lot further than that. I killed my first deer with a load of 65 grains of FFg powder at 40 yards in my .50, with complete penetration of the chest.

Good hunting. :thumbsup:
 
I have been out of the round ball shooting for many moons, but am hoping to use a PRB on my one day muzzleloader hunt this year in KY. I will be shooting a TC Cherokee, and more than likely, Pyrodex P.

I am intrigued by the use of Over powder wads. I have never used them, but I keep hearing about them on this site. I saw a package of them in the store, but I thought they were for shooting in BP revolvers, to keep from setting off more than one chamber at a time.

I understand from a previous post in this thread that they can also enhance accuracy in rifles.

Any other time I would know exactly where to find 3 or 4 Hornet's nests, naturally this year, I haven't seen one.
 
To each his own. I am not a fan of Pyrodex, and certainly not of using pistol powder in any rifle! As long as you dry the gun and remove all the oils, or grease from the breech end by flushing the barrel and breech with alcohol, I suppose you will have no problem igniting Pyrodex. Not knowing what kind of gun you are using, I won't comment further.

OP wads can be obtained from most of the suppliers. I bought mine direct from Walter's fiber wads, but Track of the Wolf sells them, and if you go to Track's on-line catalogue, you can see good pictures of the various thicknesses available.

The OP wads you describe that come in a package are FELT wads, intended to be used in revolvers, for the purpose you describe. Only testing in your rifle will determine if they will serve a purpose of sealing gases well in your gun. Again, a chronograph is very helpful when trying to adapt a pistol product to use in a rifle. You may have to use 2 of those felt wads to get a good seal in your rifle. The OP wads are cut .010" larger than the caliber of the wad. That allows the wads to get down into the grooves of your barrel effectively, so that they keep gases from breaking through the grooves and cutting your patch/ball.

One of our members, Roundball, admits to using Felt Wads in his T/C rifles, and he says he buys the next caliber size larger than his rifle to make sure the wad seals well. I think that is an excellent suggestion.

The felt wads are flexible that you can get them down the barrel, even if they are oversized that much. The wads will form a " cup" on top of the powder, but that extra material will be forced backwards when the load is fired, and the gases push the wads from behind. That forces the extra felt into the grooves, and provides a great seal.

If you can't find a hornet's nest, but have wasp nests in the eves of your garage, or shed, or house, knock those down and use them. Granted, they are not as big as a hornet's nest, but the material is regurgitated cellulose, just as the Hornet's nest is, and has that same silky quality, and high flashpoint. Crumble it up in your hands, and pour the stuff down the barrel. It will tamp down when you load the PRB down onto it. ( Think of loading a pipe with tobacco.)

And, if you have neither hornets or wasp nests, try using good old corn meal. I used it with success for years before I tried the OP wads. Its a bit more flammable, but it breaks up outside the muzzle and rains down as dust, which doesn't carry much fire to start the forest ablaze. I have also used Cream of Wheat, and even dried Oats(oatmeal) as a filler( don't like the smell of the oats, tho').
 
Hi turkhunt,

I used in my Lyman GPR .45 90 grs of WANO PP (like FFg), a overpowderwad, .440 RB and a o.o10'' lubed patch. That was a pretty stout load, but able to get a deer down up to 60 meters.

Regards

Kirrmeister
 
The reason I asked about the 45 is that is the first load I tried out of that barrel and it hit right where I aimed. I have a 50 barrel for this gun but when I shot it last night it was 8in high at 25yds and completly over the target stand at 50 and I didnt have the proper screw driver to adjust the sight. Im running out of time before season opens next weekend and with my current schedule I may not get a chance to shoot again before opening day. If that is the case Ill use the 45, if I can shoot again I'll get the 50 dialed in. Thanks for all your input now I feel confident with the 45 and later I'll work on bumping up the load a little hotter for the 45.
 
I'm with Roundball on this one. I like big game loads for big game and light loads for paper.
 
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