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Evaluating Used Navy Arms Sheriff .44 pocket - Keep or Send Back
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Yep - FAP in a diamond is Pietta.
Zonie's doing a great job - one comment from me:
The spring can be bent back into shape and tried to see if that will affect, or perhaps even correct the problem. It will weaken the spring, and it will eventually return to the 'straight' condition or even break, so it will need to be replaced sooner or later. There's no down side to bending it and putting it back in; you'll even get some practice at assembling/disassembling a Colt single action revolver, which is always a good thing to have done.
Consider this: Brownell's sells a music wire trigger/bolt spring by Heinie which will fit in your gun. They will last virtually forever and many people use them to improve the Colt trigger feel. The only reason not to use one, and it's a valid reason, is that it's not a 'period correct' part for the gun. Just something to consider. Here's a Link
Zonie's doing a great job - one comment from me:
The spring can be bent back into shape and tried to see if that will affect, or perhaps even correct the problem. It will weaken the spring, and it will eventually return to the 'straight' condition or even break, so it will need to be replaced sooner or later. There's no down side to bending it and putting it back in; you'll even get some practice at assembling/disassembling a Colt single action revolver, which is always a good thing to have done.
Consider this: Brownell's sells a music wire trigger/bolt spring by Heinie which will fit in your gun. They will last virtually forever and many people use them to improve the Colt trigger feel. The only reason not to use one, and it's a valid reason, is that it's not a 'period correct' part for the gun. Just something to consider. Here's a Link
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. OCT 25 / 08:00am
mykeal,
excellent ! ! it looks much, much stronger than the original. and i wondered what that was they were showing on p92 of cumpston - the heinie replacement.. i kept looking and looking inside *this* .44 for a wire spring and couldn't find it. duh...
and only $7...! that's probably gonna happen.
btw, i've almost finished both books and am looking for something *lite* in bp gunsmithing, if you know of anything, pass it on.
(prefer pistols / revolvers only, for now)
thanks,
~daniel~
. OCT 25 / 08:00am
mykeal,
excellent ! ! it looks much, much stronger than the original. and i wondered what that was they were showing on p92 of cumpston - the heinie replacement.. i kept looking and looking inside *this* .44 for a wire spring and couldn't find it. duh...
and only $7...! that's probably gonna happen.
btw, i've almost finished both books and am looking for something *lite* in bp gunsmithing, if you know of anything, pass it on.
(prefer pistols / revolvers only, for now)
thanks,
~daniel~
Daniel, want some practice with your gunsmithing? You can make a temporary spring from a small SAFETY PIN; it has been done before to keep the gun shooting while at the range. Make one up and see if it makes the gun operational while you are waiting for your new spring. I keep 2-3 spare hand/bolt springs on hand as they are cheap enough and are prone to break at the most inopportune time.
Several of the early Navy Arms cap & ball revolvers, were quite soft in the innards, or action.
I had to replace all of the action parts, on my Baby dragoon, Walker, and 1851.
Then I found " UBERTI" yeah! what a difference.
I'd get my money back and get a Uberti. They work!
Old Ford
I had to replace all of the action parts, on my Baby dragoon, Walker, and 1851.
Then I found " UBERTI" yeah! what a difference.
I'd get my money back and get a Uberti. They work!
Old Ford
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. oct 25 / 11:10am
i appreciate your thoughts but, after going this far, i'm sorry to say it's a little too late for that.. if nothing else, i can say i now have "advanced beginner" gunsmithing experience and also have a nice piece to continue my studies with.
besides at $359 a pop, they don't really have any similar models - with the exception of the 4" pocket - that i would be interested in.
nice stuff, too rich for my yankee blood, eh.
~daniel~
ps. did you know uberti is owned by beretta...!!
. oct 25 / 11:10am
i appreciate your thoughts but, after going this far, i'm sorry to say it's a little too late for that.. if nothing else, i can say i now have "advanced beginner" gunsmithing experience and also have a nice piece to continue my studies with.
besides at $359 a pop, they don't really have any similar models - with the exception of the 4" pocket - that i would be interested in.
nice stuff, too rich for my yankee blood, eh.
~daniel~
ps. did you know uberti is owned by beretta...!!
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" Yankee Blood".....and you wanted a Reb REVOLVER?
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Just goes to show ...I got a that Navy Arms when it first caame out and it stll shoots great, my kids have got me 3 Ubret 1849s from Cabs the last 6 weeks and ALL have gone back as un-shootable. Fred :hatsoff: :rotf: the people at belas have been great
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. nov 8 / 07:05
the brass, blued barrel, and wooden grips make for a really beautiful combination.. they can be had new for @ $180 but i couldn't pass up this navy arms original for $150 used.. look familiar:
handles like a feather (compared to my lemat) and packs a whallop (.454 rb + 30gr bp).. perfect for old school "pdw".
~daniel~
. nov 8 / 07:05
the brass, blued barrel, and wooden grips make for a really beautiful combination.. they can be had new for @ $180 but i couldn't pass up this navy arms original for $150 used.. look familiar:
handles like a feather (compared to my lemat) and packs a whallop (.454 rb + 30gr bp).. perfect for old school "pdw".
~daniel~
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I have a pistol just like that. My wife fires it and can hit the target at 50' freehand. She likes it alot. Of course because she is only 5' tall and weighs just a handful of pounds I back off of the powder load a bit. But you have to remember not to overload a brass pistol- You don't want to get out of timing. I find that 25 grains is more than enough. Off course I am using trip 7 instead of BP.
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. nov 8 / 17:55
pvt,
what do you mean with "You don't want to get out of timing." ?
i've just started reading gunsmith for bp and haven't seen that yet.. is this referring to the hand ?
also, someone (mykeal ?) said this little puppy can handle up to 35gr of real bp, but i wouldn't use that for every shot.. in fact, i have used 25gr for almost all rounds so far.. nice to know that i can crank 'er up if needed.
~d~
. nov 8 / 17:55
pvt,
what do you mean with "You don't want to get out of timing." ?
i've just started reading gunsmith for bp and haven't seen that yet.. is this referring to the hand ?
also, someone (mykeal ?) said this little puppy can handle up to 35gr of real bp, but i wouldn't use that for every shot.. in fact, i have used 25gr for almost all rounds so far.. nice to know that i can crank 'er up if needed.
~d~
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Remember the frame is in brass, and that brass is softer than steel. So things can stretch to put it one way. And then it gets out of time the hammer and nipple don't line up any more. The brass faces get beat up by the cylinder from the percusion. So therefore an easier load of BP is better for the gun in the long run. Not to say that a brass pistol won't last you a long time if properly cared for and fed.
And the 18-20 grain is norm for mine but I do go up to 25 max. depending on what I am using it for.
And the 18-20 grain is norm for mine but I do go up to 25 max. depending on what I am using it for.
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. nov 14 / 11:00p
words of widsom.
i will back off on the powder and do a thorough inspection of all the parts once i get the new bolt spring installed.
it was used when i got it and apparently by an inexperienced owner.. he tried to force the barrel wedge out with a sledge hammer (by the looks of it) leaving some scratches both sides of the barrel.. plus i have no idea how much it was fired.. sticking a bore light down into the barrel convinced me that at least it was well cleaned because i can't see any pits, rust, or lead.
ahhh, the fun just never ends, does it.
thanks for the info.
~daniel~
. nov 14 / 11:00p
words of widsom.
i will back off on the powder and do a thorough inspection of all the parts once i get the new bolt spring installed.
it was used when i got it and apparently by an inexperienced owner.. he tried to force the barrel wedge out with a sledge hammer (by the looks of it) leaving some scratches both sides of the barrel.. plus i have no idea how much it was fired.. sticking a bore light down into the barrel convinced me that at least it was well cleaned because i can't see any pits, rust, or lead.
ahhh, the fun just never ends, does it.
thanks for the info.
~daniel~
