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Back in the old days, I had me one o them brass tube thingies with the char inside for catching a spark.

What are they called?

Anyhow, the one I used to have had a piece of cotton rope in inside. It would catch a spark ok, but would go out when I tried to light my pipe with it.

I want to make another.

Any ideas on a better material than rope for the char stuff that will not go out so easily?

Gracias companeros.
 
YES! Go to a 1/2 tube. Go to Joanns Fabrics, or similar business, even upholstery businesses. they have cotton batting in a 1/2" web sheath intended for upholstery use,and once charred will generally start from a single spark and burn until you put it out.
 
Wick Ellerbe said:
YES! Go to a 1/2 tube. Go to Joanns Fabrics, or similar business, even upholstery businesses. they have cotton batting in a 1/2" web sheath intended for upholstery use,and once charred will generally start from a single spark and burn until you put it out.

If you have a Walmart around you that has a fabrics, check there to. Joanns is a definite but I've found it at wallyworld to. I don't know how much variation there is in the differnt packages but check them out and get one that is wound tight and looks thick and dense. I got one once that just didn't work. I think the wrap was to loose but I'm not real sure.

I also found some 1/4" (roughly) cotton clothes line that works great. It's real hard actually lighting a fire with it but it's great for lighting cigars & pipes. :grin:
 
hey northern brother,
if ur in the lowermainland, there is a place called donaldson ropes in N.van and they have some all cotton rope called sash cord, about 30$ for about 100ft i think, now that maby alot of rope but he plenty of practice time
oh dont forget to ask them no poly core, they messed that up for me but gave me a deal on it really cheap, i just pulled out the poly core and walla, matchcord, pipelighter, whateverlighter,
[url] www.donaldsonrope.com[/url]
 
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Stumpkiller said:
Tinder tube. Soak the cotton cord in a potassium nitrate solution and dry it out.

You can also use "match-cord" that the matchlock guys use. G.Gedney Godwin carries that (I believe).

Potassium nitrate (salt peter) is an oxidizer, not sure it will go out when pulled up into the tube.
 
The big part of a tinder tube is CATCHING that spark. They do work great for lighting a pipe or cigar/cigarette. But it takes a lot of experimentation and practice to actually light a fire or candle with one.

Many people have had good luck using a strip of fairly coarse cotton/linen fabric rolled up and run through their tinder tube. Rope/cord is more ... finished looking, but that rolled strip of clothe can work just as well. Another thing many people use is the wick material used in kerosene/oil lamps. It's just coarse woven cotton, and already cut to around 6 or 8 inch lengths. And it comes in several widths. A little trial-n-error will quickly show you the right width to roll up for the size of tube you are using.

Use of fully treated match cord designed to be used with a matchlock or cannon linstock can have its own problems. Some versions can draw moisture. Plus, depending upon how often you use your tinder tube and how fast you use up your cord, it can weather/deteriorate over time.

Tinder tubes are a great little item, especially if you have to light your pipe (or cigar/cigarette) in an historical setting. Much better than striking a match, and easier than fishing a coal out of the fire. Just do a little research to see if it will fit into your chosen time period and geographical area.

Just my humble thoughts to share, and best used in conjunction with your own research.

Mikey - yee ol' grumpy German blacksmith out in the Hinterlands
 
With all due respect, catching a spark is best done with charred cloth, or charcloth, as it is sometimes spelled. Use a flint and steel, or even the flint in your rifle or musket, to light an ember in the charclothe, and then use that piece of charcloth to blow the ember into or onto the treated rope in your tinder tube. The tinder tube was the early cigarette lighter, as you could keep the ember burning just inside the tube, where it would not ignite a pocket if you put the tube in the pocket, but would stay lit in the restricted air. You pulled it out and pushed the cord up out of the brass tube to expose the ember, blew on it to blow away the ash, and then used the glowing ember to light your pipe or cigar.

To light a fire, its best to do things in reverse, a bit. Use the tinder tube to light a piece of charclothe, then put the charclothe in a nest of kindling, , raise the nest above your eyebrows and blow on the ember to ignite the nest, clear of your nose, eyes, eyebrows, and hair and hat brim. ( PLease don't ask me how I learned all about these cautions. :blah: Thank you. :thumbsup: )
Put the burning nest down on your fireplace, and begin putting small dry sticks around the burning material like building a tipi. Increase the size of the dry sticks, as the smaller ones are ignited, and keep this up until you have a good hot blaze going. The you can stack logs and large splits around it and get them going, too.
 
Thanks a lot all you fellers, lots of good ideas here, will try them all. Was thinking on this some more yesterday, and I was cogitatin' that in the old accounts where they are talking about lighting their pipes with tinder tubes, mayhap it worked good because the tobacco was dry. The stuff I favour is English tinned stuff and pretty moist. Got back onta this hyar stuff reading Wa To Ya, and in there, Garrard says them boys used raw cotton rolled in a piece of callico thence stuffed inta the toob. I'm a little far from any cotton fields :grin: so will give all your suggestions a good go. Thankyees agin.
 
I used to smoke a pipe, using a blended tobacco called Sable Blend, from Jon's Pipe Shop, in Champaign, Illinois. The owner sends tobacco to customers all over the world. My tobacco was also fresh. I had no trouble at all lighting it with an ember in Charclothe. Its the heat from the ember that lights the tobacco, not the flame. If you learn how to pack the tobacco in your pipe correctly, it will continue to burn from top to bottom as long as you remain out doors. The amount of oxygen in the air indoors is just slightly lower enough to snuff out pipe tobacco. If you worry about air pollution, forget tobacco smoke. It may irritate the eyes, but at least it burns best out of doors. We have to breath the poor quality air found indoors.
 
I agree with some of what you are saying Paul. Charcloth is the best, fastest and easiest way to get an ember going. The tinder tube is a very close second. Factors like humidity and wind can sometimes play havoc with it but I usually get an ember within a few strikes of flint and steel. Practice is key to making it an easy practical thing.
As for starting full blown fires, I was able to do it the last time I was out. I used the batting discussed before and was able to get the 2nd birds nest going. The first one was not big enough and not tight enough. The cool thing was as soon as I figured out that the nest wasn't going to catch I layed the tube on a rock and gathered more nest. I didn't have to break out more charcloth and the flint and steel again because it was still burning. That said though, I'll continue to use standard charcloth for fire starting and keep the tubes for smoking and conversation.
 
Charcloth is all well and good, but bare in mind, there is no documentation for it's use, unless something has recently surfaced. Tinder tube use can be documented, but not necessarily on the frontier. Most references to fire starting seem to involve char.
 
If you rub any dry leaf, or old cloth remant, or many other dry items that can be found in the woods, including bark with the ash and black charcoal found in old fires, the blackened areas will catch a flame much faster. For people who lived in a wood culture, rather than the industrial age, and our age of plastics, there was no need to write these things down because everyone learned firemaking as soon as they were old enough. NO kid at the school house had to be instructed on how to set a fire in the pot bellied stove that heated the place. Kids had been doing that chore to help out at home for years before they attained school age. My grandfather grew up on a poor farm, walking for miles to go to school. He could not remember when he first learned to make a fire, and, in his 80s, had forgotten much of what he had learned when he found a better way to live. He was wanting to know why we grandsons wanted to know all that stuff! Why work so hard, when you can just use a stick match???
My point is that just because something is not written down does not mean it was not done. Nothing was thrown away, and was used as wisely as it could be, through multiple uses, before being confined to a fire. No cloth was allowed to be thrown away, but instead became material for quilts, or patches for clothing, after first being resewn as hand-me-down clothing for the younger children. Rags could be cut in strips, and braided to make hot pot holders, or even were used to stuff pillows that were used on the buckboards. After that, they might be used as a horse blanket, or bedding for a family dog, with pups. Only after all these uses had exhausted the fabrics, was the fabric allowed to be broken down to be used for something as lowly as wads, or charcloth.
 
"Wrights 12/32" cotton filler cord" from WallyWorld is about $2 for "a lot". It works in 1/2" or so tube and once charred it will start with one spark and is the dickens to put out if you didn't put it in the tube first (I recommend playing with it either outside or under the stove hood). A couple of half hitches with string will let you pull it through the tube for the first time.
 
After you have your cotton cord or rolled clothe pulled through your tinder tube and have the end smoldering, you pull that end back into the tube. It will then smolder a little longer building up a little ash/char on the end until it goes out. That ash/char starts to block off the air from the embers, so it puts itself out. Then, that tube helps protect that charred end until the next time you are ready to use it. That charred end, for all intents and purposes, is your charclothe. If you put it out much like you would snub out a cigarette, you might not have enough "charclothe" built up on the end to catch your next spark. So you leave it burning and just pull it back into the tube where it will go out in a short time. That tube then protects your new "charclothe" end until you are ready to use it again.

Now, some fire tubes or bundles were made and designed to carry a burning coal/ember from place to place. This saves you from having to "create" a new spark/ember the next time you need it. But you have to build and/or create your fire bundle carefully. If you pack it too tightly, your smoldering embers will go out from lack or air. If you pack it too loosely, it burns away too fast.

In my research I have not seen a tinder tube used for the primary purpose of carrying a buning ember from place to place. They are usually combined into a set or kit that also included a steel flint striker and a piece of flint. Some fancy sets even had everything linked together with short small chains. Some even have the tube attached directly to a steel striker. There are even sets where the tube is a short tube completely closed at one end. In use, you pulled your cord out of that tube, struck sparks into the charred end, used it to light your pipe, and then pushed it back into the tube to extinguish it - and protect that charred end until the next time.

I've been trying to find back a picture I saved (somewhere) that shows an item "found" in a New England museum collection - in one of their "we don't know" drawers. A Seneca collection if I'm remembering correctly. It was a section of deer leg bone with a strip of clothe pushed through the center. Both ends of the bone were ... charred or blackened. No part of the clothe was charred, but it was kind of surprising that the clothe had survived. Is this a very early Indian interpretation of a tinder tube? Hard to tell, especially when you are bucking the "experts", but it would obviously work. Now where is that *$%#*^ picture? I know I put it somewhere I wouldn't lose it. $*%&# infernal machines!

Just my humble thoughts to share, and best used in conjunction with your own research.

Mikey - yee ol' grumpy German blacksmith out in the Hinterlands
 
Real good stuff Guys. Between all the good info you've all offered and my own efforts I think I'm on the road to a good old time Zippo. :grin:
 
This may be a bit off topic but I was fooling around with a magnifying glass and found out that it is the way to go if you are using a tinder tube, especially if the tube is less than a 1/2" diameter. It is sometimes hard to hold the tube and put a spark on it. On the other hand you can concentrate the "spot" from a magnifying glass on the charred end of the rope and BINGO within about 2-3 seconds you have an ember on a sunny day. Real fast, real easy.

Wah-to-yah mentions the Mexicans with tinder tubes.
 
There are FIVE general categories of Primitive firestarting methods: FRICTION( striking a match, rubbing sticks together); PERCUSSION( Striking flint against steel to make sparks); REFLECTION( using a Concave surface to focus light to create heat, like a solar oven); REFRACTION,( bending light with a glass, or ice to focus the light to create heat); and Compression( using a tube and plunger to rapid compress air so that the flash point of some material on the plunger will ignite).

I have my personal doubts about how much Reflection and Compression were used by primitive or early mankind. For our work with 16th through 19th century firearms, Friction, Percussion, and Refraction cover the ways history tells us that fires were made.
 
Eureka! As I write this I am smoking a pipe I lit with a 3/8 tube filled with lampwick, fired with flint and steel.

One 'speriment done, more to follow. :grin:
 
If you want to try another experiment, try charred wood. Get some punky semi rotted wood--cottonwood works good, as does elm, I'm sure most will do--and light one end of a small piece of it. When it's going good, toss in a jar with lid, your tinderbox, or anything that's airtight so it goes out. After it's thoroughly extinguished, try lighting it with flint and steel. With a bit of practice, it works just as well as charred cloth, and has a whole lot hotter ember.

If you live where there are birch trees, then look for tinder fungus. This stuff will light without being charred. Unfortunately, I live in birch-challenged western ND--we have a very few native birches, and they are all remarkably fungal-free.
[url] http://wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/fire/tinder/tinderfungus/true.html[/url]

This site will tell you all about it. Making fire will give you the same thrill that the first early man must have felt--just something primal about it. Good Luck!

Rod
 
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