first flintlock

[n8dawg6]

hello, im new to the forum. i've been shooting blackpowder rifles for about 12 years, but i have yet to own a flinter.

what's the lowest price i can get away with on a good quality flinter? i shoot left-handed, so i'll need something that is made with a left-handed lock. i'll be shooting roundballs. my highest ideal in the rifle is function, i'd prefer an ugly rifle with good locktime and accuracy over a beautiful rifle with average performance.

i'm thinking lyman deerstalker flintlock. looks like a decent rifle at a decent price. is this a good idea? my other rifles are a t/c renegade, and a 1st gen. parker hale enfield . . . will i be disappointed in the quality of the lyman?

thanks in advance for any input.

 

[Rebel]

Left handed Lyman Great Plains rifle. [url] www.midsouthshooters.com[/url] has the best prices i have found on them.

 

[shmrck1]

roundballshooter,
For the money I don't think
you can beat the Lyman GPR. I picked one up new
in .50cal from the MLF classifeds for $300
including shipping and I think it was a good
deal. If you are not in a hurry, check around.
I'm sure you can find one at a reasonable price.
Good luck,
snake-eyes

 

[Randal Zartman]

RBS, I don't think you will be disapointed with Lyman's quality. I chose the deerstalker over the GPR because where I hunt the shorter gun was easier to swing in and around the trees and brush. I put fiber optic sights on it. I found round balls grouped better than maxi balls. I shoot 50 grains of fffg powder for fun, and 80 grains of fffg powder for hunting. I have seen used ones for sale, but sometimes you just want a new one so you know what you got and how it has been treated. Good luck.
Z

 

[Ken Morrison]

I faced the same decision you are last December. I am left handed as well and needed a flintlock for hunting in Pennsylvania.
I found the Lyman Deerstalker to fit my needs perfectly. I bought the .50 caliber flintlock and love it. I paid $330 at a local gun shop. It cost an additional $130 to buy the stuff extra stuff like powder, balls, patches, powder flask, and cleaning tools/supplies.
I shot my first deer with a ML with my rifle last week. I'm shooting 80 gr of FFF with a Hornady PRB. I love it and I'm now thinking I need a ML shotgun.
You'll find a wealth of information on the forum as I have. Good shooting.

 

[n8dawg6]

are yall preferring the .54 or the .50 mostly? my renegade is a .54, and i shoot only roundballs through it. however, i also have a .50. :hmm:

 

[roundball]

are yall preferring the .54 or the .50 mostly? my renegade is a .54, and i shoot only roundballs through it. however, i also have a .50. :hmm:

FYI...T/C makes left handed Flintlock Renegades

 

[n8dawg6]

current production? any way to convert my caplock? that might be the best idear

 

[Toomuch_36]

hello, im new to the forum. i've been shooting blackpowder rifles for about 12 years, but i have yet to own a flinter.

what's the lowest price i can get away with on a good quality flinter? i shoot left-handed, so i'll need something that is made with a left-handed lock. i'll be shooting roundballs. my highest ideal in the rifle is function, i'd prefer an ugly rifle with good locktime and accuracy over a beautiful rifle with average performance.

i'm thinking lyman deerstalker flintlock. looks like a decent rifle at a decent price. is this a good idea? my other rifles are a t/c renegade, and a 1st gen. parker hale enfield . . . will i be disappointed in the quality of the lyman?

thanks in advance for any input.

Go for the Lyman Great Plains, for an off-the-rack, south-paw, flintlock for shooting round balls you can't do better. The Great Plains has a 1:66 twist, The Deerstalker and the Trade Rifle have a 1:48 twist (but is plenty deep enough to grip the patch). The Lyman rifles are made by Invest Arms of Italy, and they also make T/C locks and triggers, so if you like the T/C locks they are the same.

Tioomuch
............
Shoot Flint

 

[harryo]

[The Lyman rifles are made by Invest Arms of Italy, and they also make T/C locks and triggers, so if you like the T/C locks they are the same.

I'm not sure this is correct. While some of the lock parts look remarkably similar, there are some differences, such as the shape of the lock plate. I was under the impression that TC made their own locks.

 

[roundball]

are yall preferring the .54 or the .50 mostly? my renegade is a .54, and i shoot only roundballs through it. however, i also have a .50. :hmm:

FYI...T/C makes left handed Flintlock Renegades

If you have a left handed caplock, piece of cake to convert to a left hand Flintlock...just need the lock and barrel.

Suggest you call TC's Fox Ridge store and confirm that they can still provide a left hand Flint lock asm and barrel for the Renegade...if they still make or have them, you're good to go.

In fact, if you're not comfortable with some minor wood work inside the lock mortise to make the Flint lock asm drop in...you might just ask TC if they'll do it for you since you're buying the lock & barrel from them, etc.

I had them do my first right hand Hawken conversion that way and they didn't charge me anything...subsequent conversions I've done myself.

 

[Swampman]

http://www.avsia.com/tvm/

 

[captgary]

Bought my GPR from here, they had the
best price at the time. Follow the link to muzzleloaders.



Link

 

[Toomuch_36]

[The Lyman rifles are made by Invest Arms of Italy, and they also make T/C locks and triggers, so if you like the T/C locks they are the same.

I'm not sure this is correct. While some of the lock parts look remarkably similar, there are some differences, such as the shape of the lock plate. I was under the impression that TC made their own locks.

The locks, triggers and at one time even the sights were manufactured by Invest Arms and shipped to U.S. as parts then assembled by T/C here (hence American made).
Lock plates and all internal parts are identical except for the tumbler. On the T/C the tumbler is aligned by two trunions the tumbler itself, rather than by a screw. The frizzen also has a slightly thicker mounting lug on the Lyman.

Toomuch
............
Shoot Flint

 

[Bob J]

Left handed Lyman Great Plains rifle. [url] www.midsouthshooters.com[/url] has the best prices i have found on them.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[harryo]

Lock plates and all internal parts are identical except for the tumbler.

This might have been true on early model Investarm/Lyman locks but the current ones definitely have a different shaped lock plate. A current Investarm/Lyman/Cabelas lock will not just drop in to the inletting on a T/C stock. I've got several of each manufacturers locks and I've tried it. I even tried again before posting this. The differences are subtle but some inletting would be required to interchange them. L&R locks appears to confirm this as they used to make a single replacement lock that would replace either the Investarm or T/C lock but they now make a seperate replacement for the Investarm.

I would agree with your first statement that if a person liked one company's rifles, they would like the other's. The mechanical components are still almost identical in form and, IMO, are identical in quality.

 

[walruskid1]

bought my first flinter today. i picked up a gpr .50, range report next week!

 

[Halftail]

Just my 2 cents here,
My Deerstalker,I bought from Lyman came with a crappy Lock that I eventually ended up puttin a "drop in" into.
Otherwise after putting a Coned touchole liner in ,it's as fast as any of my Percussion locks.