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First the NMLRA, now TOW.....
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GreyWhiskers
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I may have to buy some iffin I'm gonna hunt in the southern part of the state. :surrender: GW
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I doubt they sell very many.
Like Mark said, keep the doors open.
Maybe if someone is searching the net for sabots they'll come cross TOW and see there's a whole other world of muzzleloading.
HD
Like Mark said, keep the doors open.
Maybe if someone is searching the net for sabots they'll come cross TOW and see there's a whole other world of muzzleloading.
HD
Of course its one more thing to "keep the doors open"...the point is that it's come to that...the NMLRA was bad enough but now one of the few remaining big name cornerstone traditional ML suppliers has started down that slippery slope...
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several years ago we made the sabot in the picture from Track in the plastics plant that I work in.. We made them for Remington as well as their shotgun wads. Afew people in the plant tried them in their T/C side locks; most found they didn't work well. Remington did some testing with the ones we made and said we needed to make them worse than the spec on their prints; if you can believe that..We did and they got the performance they were looking for. We still make Remington and Winchester products in our Springfield plant but I don't know about the sabot anymore.Ss
I shall comment heresy here.
Seem as if marbles, rubber balls, brass balls and other things have been mentioned here to use shoot to from Traditional Muzzle Loaders, what is the difference of these non-lead items when compared to a sabot?
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Seem as if marbles, rubber balls, brass balls and other things have been mentioned here to use shoot to from Traditional Muzzle Loaders, what is the difference of these non-lead items when compared to a sabot?
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Richard Eames said:
Good point.
Where do we draw the line?
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"Where do we draw the line?"
I think if one has to ask that question then they are really not into or have an understanding of traditional ML hunting gear, it is one thing to shoot marbles or rubber balls to conserve lead for use later when hunting, or using things like that while tinkering around at the range and quite another to use a plastic sabot and modern bulet when ML hunting.Some imbrace the concept of hunting with traditional guns and gear, some imbrace the concept of hunting with something that loads from the front useing whatever projectiles, sights and gear that the law allows, two wholly different schools of though which will likley never find common ground in an exchange of ideas.
I think if one has to ask that question then they are really not into or have an understanding of traditional ML hunting gear, it is one thing to shoot marbles or rubber balls to conserve lead for use later when hunting, or using things like that while tinkering around at the range and quite another to use a plastic sabot and modern bulet when ML hunting.Some imbrace the concept of hunting with traditional guns and gear, some imbrace the concept of hunting with something that loads from the front useing whatever projectiles, sights and gear that the law allows, two wholly different schools of though which will likley never find common ground in an exchange of ideas.
In the old days it wasn't unknown for someone to stuff their smoothbore with gravel, broken glass, nails, or whatever they had at hand, if they were short on lead or wanted to conserve it. I'm sure more than one feller tried shooting a patched rock in his rifle too, perhaps even a marble. I don't see a lot of difference here, other than they didn't have hard rubber balls back then. The concept and reasoning is similar though.
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No, it's not...it misses the point completely.
TOW is one of the few remaining bastions of traditional muzzleloading and is a signal carrier for the community...me playing around with alternative practice balls in case lead is no longer an option is far from the same thing...
Richard, I'm a tinkerer...and I invest a lot of my own time and money in things like this and give away all I learn for free to anyone who might be interested...if you have a problem with me running experiments just ignore them because you don't have the right to find fault with them...in fact, if you'll just put me on your ignore list you won't be bothered with my posts...I have no time or interest in such foolishness as your critique of my experiments not being traditional.
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Take it easy now Roundball.
Nobody called you out personally.
Remember, you started this thread.
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Nobody called you out personally.
Remember, you started this thread.
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Hate to tell ya this Roundball but I have seen sabots for sale at Tow for a while now. This is nothing new.
"From the view point of Hornady, Speer, Lee and Lyman, where does traditional muzzle loading start?
Marbles and plastic balls?"
I doubt that these folks have any interest in tradition, just the bottom line, as I said before there are two distinctive schools of thought here and there is no common ground on which to exchange
thoughts any more than Hilary and Bush could lay on the same ground cloth, one is either useing traditional gear or not, some know what they are using is traditional, others try to argue their gear into acceptance, ignoring the facts,it's all fine as there is no right or wrong in the use of gear just correct or incorrect classification of the gear. this comes up every now and then and at the end no one has changed their minds but at least some newcommers in the wings may get a chance to make an educated choice. Bye now, I am tired of it allready.
Marbles and plastic balls?"
I doubt that these folks have any interest in tradition, just the bottom line, as I said before there are two distinctive schools of thought here and there is no common ground on which to exchange
thoughts any more than Hilary and Bush could lay on the same ground cloth, one is either useing traditional gear or not, some know what they are using is traditional, others try to argue their gear into acceptance, ignoring the facts,it's all fine as there is no right or wrong in the use of gear just correct or incorrect classification of the gear. this comes up every now and then and at the end no one has changed their minds but at least some newcommers in the wings may get a chance to make an educated choice. Bye now, I am tired of it allready.
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