Flint lock replacement by L&R

[roundball]

You sure proved TC's new liner I sent you was faster than the old standby White Lightning liner
:hatsoff:

The comparison did not use the same diameter of hole. To really make that statement, we would have to drill the smaller diameter out to the same size as the larger one. The test would then have some validity. In the test your refer to the WL liner was drilled to .064" while the TC liner would pass a .073" drill bit.

:hmm: lets think about that for a moment...we're comparing products off the shelf...the WL liner which had a good reputation for years, then the redesigned T/C liner came out...and its faster than the previous standard (the W/L).

Yes, of course if we drilled out the W/L liner to be like the T/C design, then it would be as fast...but it would then be...well...a T/C design...no longer a W/L design.


A Corvette is faster than a Camero...if we redesigned the Camero with the same parts as the Corvette, then the "Camero" would be as fast as the Corvette.....but...it would no longer be a Camero...it too would be a Corvette

 

[hockeyref]

so given that my Lyman GPR lock looks identical to the old style TC,,,,, what mods could\should I make to it. I put the factory flint in and tried it bevel up and down... best case is that it will strike the middle of the frizzen at a fairly sharp angle with the bevel opposite of what is pictured. going to a longer flint may help as ther is almost 1\8" gap between the edge and frizzen at half cock.

Actually a little close examination it looks like the old short\curvy hammer on the newer plate & frizzen... hmmm? :hmm:

 

[Larry Pletcher]

:hmm: lets think about that for a moment...we're comparing products off the shelf...the WL liner which had a good reputation for years, then the redesigned T/C liner came out...and its faster than the previous standard (the W/L).

Yes, of course if we drilled out the W/L liner to be like the T/C design, then it would be as fast...but it would then be...well...a T/C design...no longer a W/L design.

I think the difference is that Jim ships his liners drilled to .055" - smaller than most anybody I know uses. He does that so the riflemakers he sells to can drill the vent to their specs. I suspect that the WL liners installed in guns run the gamut from .055" to over .080". It would be beyond my testing to say which is faster when there is such a range of diameters. Since I haven't tested specifically to compare the two types, I'm not ready to conclude anything. The numbers we got were valid for comparing the breeches, but I have no confidence in them for comparing vents.

Regards,
Pletch

 

[Zonie]

And here I thought this post was about the values of a L&R lock replacement for a TC lock.

I didn't know it was about the size of vent holes. :rotf:

I betcha we could get back on track if we've a mind to.

 

[Larry Pletcher]

And here I thought this post was about the values of a L&R lock replacement for a TC lock.

I didn't know it was about the size of vent holes. :rotf:

I betcha we could get back on track if we've a mind to.

Sorry about that Zonie. I thought since it was my numbers that were discussed I should offer my thoughts.

As to the real topic, I like L&R locks, but this is another topic where as yet I have no numbers to support an opinion. Maybe the proper test that we mentioned earlier should include:
a. the early TC flint
b. the late TC flint
c. the L&R replacement flint

Regards,
Pletch

 

[larry wv]

Pletch I would like to see that, Larry

 

[aap2]

I have 3 T/C flint Hawken rifles, 2 have the redesigned T/C lock and one had the L&R replacement lock on it when I bought it. The T/C locks function flawlessly and flint life is excellent. The L&R lock works well, but not quite as well as the T/C locks; this is just a side-by-side comparison with rifles that get shot quite a bit. I'm not sure about the quality of the latest L&R replacement locks, but the L&R Durs Egg that I bought in the early 1980's is a great lock; the L&R Durs Egg that I bought 15+ years later needed considerable work to make it function properly.

 

[freeonthree]

the layman locks may look like the TC's but they work good I have had no problems with mine.

Tom