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pepperbelly

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If the leading edge of a flint isn't sharp it won't spark much, right?
I was looking at the flint that came in the musket I found. The flint doesn't have a thin, sharp edge. It looks like the edge was broken off from dropping the hammer.
Is there any way to get the edge back, or am I just being cheap and need to replace it?

Jim
 
Well, you can knap it. Put your index finger under the edge and tap the top with a knapping hammer or the dull edge of your knife. Start tapping light and increase the blow until you get a feel for how much is needed.

If you do it right, it will shatter the underside of the flint and leave you a new, sharp edge.

Or, for about 2 bucks you can buy another flint. Eventually it will need to be knapped as well.
 
Cabela's has a flint knapping kit for about $31.00. Is it worth it, or is there even a need for specialized knapping tools?

Jim
 
pepperbelly said:
If the leading edge of a flint isn't sharp it won't spark much, right?
I was looking at the flint that came in the musket I found. The flint doesn't have a thin, sharp edge. It looks like the edge was broken off from dropping the hammer.
Is there any way to get the edge back, or am I just being cheap and need to replace it?

Jim

With your left thumb against the side of the bottom of the frizzen, lift the frizzen up so that when you lower the cock, the edge of the flint will hit at a steep angle at the bottom of the face of the frizzen. Hold the frizzen at that location with the side of your thumb, cock the hammer, and pull the trigger. That will knapp off a new edge across the whole width of the frizzen and put you back in business. Check the cockscrew to see that it is still tight before shooting.
 
pepperbelly said:
Cabela's has a flint knapping kit for about $31.00. Is it worth it, or is there even a need for specialized knapping tools?

Jim
Do you have a link for this?

For knapping gun flints I've never used anything besides a 5 dollar knapping hammer. In a pinch I've used the back of my knife blade.

Maybe this kit is for knapping flints from large spalls of raw flint. Normally that's just different sizes of antlers though.
 
Ridge said:
pepperbelly said:
Cabela's has a flint knapping kit for about $31.00. Is it worth it, or is there even a need for specialized knapping tools?

Jim
Do you have a link for this?

For knapping gun flints I've never used anything besides a 5 dollar knapping hammer. In a pinch I've used the back of my knife blade.

Maybe this kit is for knapping flints from large spalls of raw flint. Normally that's just different sizes of antlers though.


All I've ever used to sharpen a flint is the back of my knife blade.

I think todays society has a fascination with having a gadget for every little task, hence the "flint sharpening kit".
 
This is what the card said was a flint knapping kit. It is more of a flintlock tool kit from the website description though.
It looks handy. Do I need all that stuff?

Jim
 
pepperbelly said:
"...is there even a need for specialized knapping tools?..."
Not at all...if you'll discipline yourself to always take the precaution of draping a rag or old washcloth across the pan & the vent hole to prevent any chance of an errant spark making it into the vent, you can use the staainless steel shaft of a short starter, the steel shaft of a screwdriver, heavy hunting knife blade, etc.

But I've found that a 6" length of 3/8" brass hex rod makes an outstanding knapping tool as it has some weight to it and the 6 sharp edges running it's full length due to it having a hexagonal shape so I have one in the garage and in the shooting box...but in a pinch, you can use most anything...just remember to discipline yourself to always cover that vent
 
Heres how I made one from guys on here. Take a old square nail, cut a notch on end, about one- eights. You put this notch on top edge of flint and tap it with something,small hammer ect, this will spall of a small chip, move along the flint edge till it is sharp, try to keep it square. Just take a little at a time. Somewhere there is a link showing this tool. Dilly
 
OK. One side of the flint is basically flat and the other has a slope on it.
Which side do I have down with my finger under and which goes up to hit?
I have a round range rod that is 3 pieces of solid brass. Would this work? If not I think I have an ld cheap little brass hammer.

What is the reason to place a rag over the vent hole to prevent sparks?

Jim
 
pepperbelly said:
What is the reason to place a rag over the vent hole to prevent sparks?

Very often you'll load your rifle, go to take a shot and the flint doesn't spark...so you'll need to take a few seconds and knapp the flint...but since the rifle did not fire the main charge, the main charge is still right there inside that open vent. You want to cover the vent hole while knapping in case a spark is generated and accidently bounces into the vent hole, causing the main charge to ignite unexpectedly.
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Heres one way to knapp flints step by step, and for me s been easiest & fastest way to knapp a new razor sharp scalloped edge on a Black English Flint.

Two assumptions:
1) Person is right handed
2) Flintlock is loaded at the range

Open the frizzen and flip out/brush out any priming powder from the pan;

Bring the hammer to full cock;

Lay the rifle down on it’s belly on the carpeted shooting bench in front of me with the muzzle pointing downrange / away from me;

Drape a rag across the pan and over the breech plug so the vent hole is covered (to prevent an accidental spark from entering the hole to the main charge)

Place the tip of the forefinger of the left hand under the lower jaw to steady things;

As a knapping tool, I prefer a brass (no sparks) rod the size of a wooden pencil, or the steel shaft of a short starter, the back of a hunting knife blade, etc (steel could = sparks which is why the rag is draped over the vent hole).

Bend forward slightly over the rear of the rifle so you're looking down on top of the flint lock assembly and very lightly tap-tap-tap-tap-tap down from above onto the leading edge of the flint moving from left to right (or vice versa)...more of a 'downward' impact on top of the very edge of the flint than 'into' the front of the edge of the flint...lightly as if you're trying to just barely crack the shell on a hard boiled egg;

This cause the flint rock to "flake" off tiny little scallops of flint from the bottom of the edge when you hit it correctly on top of the edge, so the edge ends up looking like the blade of an electric knife...scalloped/serrated on the bottom side but basically still flat and straight across on the top edge”¦.just very light little pecks with the brass rod...just need to cause tiny scallop shaped flakes of flint to flake off the underside of the flint's edge...only takes 10-15 seconds.
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Another way to keep BEFs working without having to knapp them at all is that I just flip them over every 10-12 shots when I stop to wipe off the lock with an alcohol rag...then flip the flint over 10-12 shots later again, repeat, etc...they tend to sort of self-knapp them selves that way. Note: works best with "flat-top" shaped flints than with "hump-backed" flints.

By alternating the top or bottom of the sharp edge as it hits the steel frizzen every 10-12 time it is flaking off scallops on the under side of the edge...when you flip it over, the frizzen impact starts flaking off scallops on the other side...and alternating the edge every so often essentially lets the impact on the frizzen itself keep the edge sharp.
 
This flint looks like the edge has been broken off- it has a thick, flat jagged edge.
This is going to sound dumb but I never had a flintlock before. Does the flint always go as far back into the cock as possible, or do I need to move it forward as it wears?
Is it supposed to throw a shower of sparks, or just some sparks?
When I get some new flints I will have a better idea how it's supposed to look, and wear. I am starting with a flint that isn't new, and I have no idea what has been done to it. There are no smudges that look like it has been fired, but it is obvious that the previous owner dropped the hammer a few times. There are a few slight scratches on the face of the frizzen. He may have dry-fired until the flint wore/broke.

Jim
 
pepperbelly said:
Does the flint always go as far back into the cock as possible, or do I need to move it forward as it wears?
In many locks, you position the flint in the jaws so that at half cock it is all but touching the closed frizzen...the objective being that at impact time you want the edge of the flint to be hitting at a very slight downward angle. And then it may occasionally be required to move it forward as it wears, but I've rarely had to.
Is it supposed to throw a shower of sparks, or just some sparks?
Very subjective, but certainly several sparks...I don't know...6 or 8 maybe, never counted...only takes one piece of red hot steel sliced off the frizzen to drop into the priming powder to make it flash.
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Here's one example of a new black english flint in a lock:
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If I get a chance I'll post some pics of this musket, especially the lock and flint. That may help.

Jim
 
pepperbelly said:
This is what the card said was a flint knapping kit. It is more of a flintlock tool kit from the website description though.
It looks handy. Do I need all that stuff?

Jim

No. There's nothing needed there that can't be made for pennies. A piece of SOFT wire or a feather quill to clear the vent and a piece of cloth to wipe the pan and frizzen and flint faces.

Paul mentions using the heel of the frizzen. I do this and it is called "Hammering the Frizzen". Be warned. It will eventually loosen the frizzen if done aggressively, especially if it happens to be unbridled. Do tiny portions at a time. It is a tremendous trick for rush situations like a timed shoot or while hunting if you don't want to be fishing around in your bag and juggling tiny tools with numb fingers.

A fling nibbler is a handy device. I have my screwdriver modified with a notch so I can push or tap it along a flint edge to freshen it.

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Not that it is not necessary to hit a flint. Firm pressure on a small contact point will flake it and usually giver better results anyway. More controllable.
 
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