• Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight.

    We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.

    Use this link to sign up please; https://membership.nra.org/recruiters/join/XR045103

Flint Strikers

Muzzleloading Forum

Help Support Muzzleloading Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

musketman

Passed On
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Messages
10,651
Reaction score
48
Striker_Standard_small.jpg


We all seen many styles of strikers, and the different sizes they are made in...

What is the ideal width for a striker?

1/8 inch?

1/4 inch?

Is thicker or thinner better?

I think a wider striker would offer better protection for your knuckles from the flint's edge...
 
I think the 1/4" is fine, but thickness won't necessarily save your knuckles. I pinch my thumb against my index finger to hold my knuckles away from the face of the srriker as possible. Gotta be careful- flint's sharper than a razor!
Wanders :m2c:
 
Thin usually means light, I go with a simple J shaped striker forged on the thin side.

The most important thing is a good hot spark! One hit, one fire, fewer chances for scraped knuckles.

Wonders, I see you at a forge in your avitar, What is your prefered metal and techinique for heat treating strikers. I have a dificult time keeping consistant quality on my heat treats.

Any hints?

:hatsoff:
 
I also had a question regarding making a striker. I'm curious as to the dimensions of the raw material used to forge one out, I'd like to try and make up a few to learn how to use them. Could be fun to learn to forge and then use one!
 
When it comes to strike a lits(flint Strikers) I look to Mike Ameling at Fire from Steel.If I remember Mike was telling me that some strikers were less then an 1/8" thick depending on the time period and style. I believe this was because of weight and transportation costs. Early traders could carry more strikers to trade so they made them narrow. Look at Mike's site http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/firefromsteel/ for more information and some of the best strikers made.
al
 
Mike recomends a water quinch, others use an oil quench for the same steels. I have used both with a definate lack of consistancy in the results.

It is quite frustrating to be able to forge and temper a knife to perfection and not be able to temper a simple fire steel!

the humiliation is nearly unbearable!

:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
Personally, I've made quite a few from old Star Drills of 3/8" - 1/2" diameter. You can buy them at flea markets at .50 to $1.00 each and you can get two from each one if you're careful. I simply harden mine in brine. If one seems a bit too hard I draw it to a dark straw. I haven't made any in several years. I sold most of them and kept a few and kinda drifted away from forging altogether. I'm about to start up again though. On another thread there is a discussion going on about brass or bronze starters with steel inserts. I think I might try one of those on for size.
:front:
 
J.M.
Most of them are forged out of old files. They are generally about 1/4" thick and anywhere from about 1/4" to 1/2" wide on the striking side.

Regards, Dave
 
These are but my humble opinions based on my research and experiences, and should be viewed as such. I have been a blacksmith for many years, and in the past years, I have specialized in Custom Fire Steels - reproducing original examples from museums, pictured in books, and private collections. And, of course, custom orders from individuals, historical parks, and museums.

Widths vary a lot over the centuries, from 1/2 inch wide or more, on down to 1/16 inch thick or THINNER. Around the Great Lakes fur trade area, a large number of the original fire steels found where 1/8 to 1/16 inch thick, and a bunch were even thinner. There are pictures and discussion of them in the books Where Two Worlds Meet, and Voices from the Rapids. Two very common styles were the Oval and the D or J style (called Single Finger Loop by the Museum of the Fur Trade in their articles). Steel was expensive, so making a thinner fire steel gave you more product to sell/trade for the same material. Example: one oval fire steel 3 x 1 1/2 x1/8 vs. two ovals 3 x 1 1/2 x 1/16. Same material, same weight, two items to sell/trade.

A lot of individual blacksmiths used/re-used old steel to make their strikers such as worn out files. The thickness of that old material tended to be how thick the new striker ended up being. Common files ran between 1/8 and 1/4 inch thick, so the strikers ended up being the same.

The big factories commercially making fire steels started with new steel, and of a consistant thickness. They also tended to make simple styles like the Oval and J styles. And these factory steels tended to be made thin - 1/8 inch thick or thinner.

The only real protection for knuckles is PRACTICE. I scraped many a knuckle until I got more careful with my flint and steel. I also switched to the Pinch Grip - less exposure of those knuckles to that sharp flint. And there are a lot of fire steel styles that require a pinch grip.

A wide striking surface offers more area to the flint to get your spark - like a flintlock frizzen. But a thin edge concentrates the force into a small area to make it easier to dig out those little bits of steel for your sparks. I prefer a thin striker - 1/8 inch thick. With a thicker striker, I tend to tilt it to the side to strike more on the edge anyway. It comes down to personal preference and what works for you.

I have used a lot of old, scrounged steel over the years to make strikers - hay rake teeth, fork teeth, car springs, lawn mower blades, leaf springs, garage door springs, files, rasps, etc. It's nice to be able to re-use some old material, but there are problems associated with that. First, you never quite know what the steel really is - alloy and carbon content. Old steel like springs also tend to have some work "memory" in them, along with years of work stress/cracks. These tend to show up after all your forge work when you are heat-treating. Really frustrating when that striker cracks during the quench, or breaks on the first couple hits on the flint. (Or when you drop it a inch or two onto a wood table!) So I prefer to start with new steel - just like many of the knife makers. You know what the steel is, how it will work and heat-treat, and you don't have to worry about its past history coming back to bite you.

A great source for cheap new steel for strikers is your local farm store. They carry new replacement hay rake teeth. It's basically 1095 or W1 spring steel, and generally is about 1/4 inch round stock. Some are smaller at 3/16, and some run up to 5/16 thick. The local Farm Fleet store sells the 1/4 thick hay rake teeth for about $1.09 each, and you end up with about 3 feet of rod after you heat it and unwind/straighten it out. It's a great size for those classic C strikers which use somewhere between 6 and 9 inches of material.

I quench my strikers in water, and I quench the the whole striker at once. Almost every time I try and do the differential quench, I end up with cracks - quenching the striking surface first, then the rest of the striker. So I have been just quenching the whole striker at once. This has been giving me excellent results. But, I have also been using a knife-makers trick on my strikers. I "thermal cycle" them. After forging, I heat them up to that non-magnetic point, and pull it out to air cool till no color. I do this three times, then I do my final heat and quench. The thermal cycling relieves a bunch of internal stress in the steel from the forging process. This little extra step has almost eliminated any breaking/cracking problems. I was amazed at how well it worked.

These are a few of my humble thoughts and observations on fire steels to share. I hope this helps answer some of your questions. I do have a web site set up with lots of pictures and information on fire steels www.angelfire.com/journal2/firefromsteel (I really need to update it with more info and pictures - one of these days.)

These are but my humble thoughts, experiences, and opinions, and are best used in conjunction with your own research.

Mike Ameling
 
Hi Guys
Ok so I picked up some carbon steel. I've made 1/4 inch thick (see I have been following the conversation). Now how wide of a piece of flint should I break off or use out of my 4 lbs. So what would you fellows recommend? I have broken several sizes ranging from 2 to 6 inches? Any ways thanks for all your imput so far...
Best regards LOYALIST DAWG...
"O" yea ... LONG LIVE THE "KING"... :hatsoff:
 
Now how wide of a piece of flint should I break off or use out of my 4 lbs. So what would you fellows recommend? I have broken several sizes ranging from 2 to 6 inches?

About the size of your palm will do nicely...

I have used old musket flints before but larger is easier to hit...
 
Sure, musket sized flints, tradegun sized flints. I seem to save all my flints, most of which are rifle sized, about 3/4 X 3/4 in. They work just fine.

Cruzatte
 
I agree that it's good protection, but I'm just plumb tired carrying around any extra weight! My main striker used to be the brass-handled opposing fish striker that was on a different thread, and that was flippin' heavy! I bought a simply c-styled striker from a fine blacksmith in OshKosh and all I need to get a spark is just a quick flick of my wrist.
IMO, the added dexterity afforded by the lighter striker provides better control; therefore, safer interaction with the flint.
 
About the size of your palm will do nicely...

I have used old musket flints before but larger is easier to hit...

Correct as usual :thumbsup:

Skertchley tells us that strike-a-lights were larger than gun flints, and round backed.
 
Thank you, Squire Robin, for bringing that up. Yes, the people/factories that produce gun flints also made up flints specifically for use with fire steels for starting fires. They resembled gun flints, but had the back side rounded insted of squared up like most gun flints. And they were a little larger. And some were even knapped into a circle - completely round with a flat top and bottom.

Sydney B. J. Skertchly wrote a book THE MANUFACTURE OF GUNFLINTS published in 1879. It was written to record and preserve an old craft and industry in Britain that was fast disappearing. It's a great little book. Copies are available. Mine was printed by Museum Restoration Service in 1984. ISBN 0-919316-86-7.

A lot of the early trade goods lists and orders list fire steels and gun flints together. Some, like the oval fire steels, were packaged up into trade bundles of a dozen, with gun flints packed into the centers of the fire steels. This made bookkeeping simpler for them. 12 bundles of 12 fire steels made a Gross - 12 dozen. And having the gun flints with them made them immediately usable to the buyer. The various archeological digs in and aroung the Great Lakes Fur Trade area show a bunch of both being found - quite often together.

I personally find that a flint chard somewhere in size between a half dollar and an old dollar coin to be a good size - big enough to hang on to well, but not too large to pack away in a pouch and not too heavy. But I have also used many musket flints over the years. Whatever works well for you.

Just my humble thoughts to share.

Mike Ameling
 
Hi Mike
Gee one of my favorite movies is Jeramiah Johnson... Yea I know but it's still cool. :haha: :redface: JJ used a small flint and a brass box (filled with char cloth I guess) it had what appears to be a small striker plate inside... Any comments or anything you know that's close?
:applause: Best regards Loyalist Dawg
 
Hi, LD. Yeah, I like the movie Jeremiah Johnson, also. With it's late time period, and holly weird influences. I just like it.

And I liked that tinderbox when I first saw the movie. So I talked a blacksmith friend into making me something kind of like it - but all iron/steel. This was before I started smithing. Hammered/dished body with a sheet iron lid hinged on, and a bar striker riveted to the lid. Nice, but heavy. Ah, the exhuberance of youth, inexperience, and lack of knowledge.

I have several books on strikers, and there are numerous articles and pictures scattered all over about them - emphasis on scattered all over. There are a bunch of tinder boxes that have a striker built in - but usually along one or more sides. But not on the inside of the lid. These tinder boxes tended to be pretty fancy - not something for the average person, and not for the frontier. They do date over several centuries, tho.

I have often wondered how or where the producers came up with that piece for the movie. It's one of the very few times you actually see someone starting a fire with flint and steel. There is a scene in The Mountainmen. And there is a scene that was cut out of Master and Commander - it's on the DVD with all the other "extra" footage.

Sorry I can't be of much more help.

yhs
Mike Ameling
 

Latest posts

Back
Top