Flintlock Original production

[Dewey]

I cant find page 2

Maybe it's like Paul Harvey ... the advertisement at the top of the page ??? :haha:

 

[dave_person]

Hi,
The original Gatling gun fired a 58 cal cartridge similar to that used in the first Allin breech loading conversions of the 1863 Springfield musket. Yes, the concept of metallic cartridges was around for a long time but the problem was first, no percussion primer, and then later when percussion ignition was invented, the technology to create inexpensive rolled metal cartridges did not exist. That was solved in the late 1860's.

dave

 

[Zonie]

Folks:

Please keep to the original subject, remembering this is a muzzleloading forum.

Except to recognize that some modern firearms followed the demise of the Percussion period, further talk of cartridge guns will get your posts containing that talk deleted.

 

[tenngun]

There are some things that fall through the cracks....The Pauly guns, or Queen Ann pistols, paper cartridge sharps. Not inlines or modren guns ...neither fish nor fowl nor good red meat.

 

[Grumpa]

First of all, my condolences on the loss of your brother, Vern. He will be with you every time you set foot in the field, or fire a shot at target or quarry. And much more.

Thank you, for your efforts to "take the fight to the people". It is something that we all need to do.

I took an old friend shooting a few days ago, his first time. He was always leery of guns, but finished the two hours or so excited, and wanting to come back to the range. He shows promise as a shooter, and is drawn to black powder!

 

[Rifleman1776]

It is fascinating that we really don't know the origins or inventors

Fascinating, yes. But not surprising. Inventions, designs and stories that are nearly identical have popped up around the world in different locations and cultures that, as far as we know, never had contact with each other. Men's mind tend to work similarly everywhere. And where there was contact ideas would spread fairly quickly.

 

[RAEDWALD]

By the by before 1510 de Vince drew something that looked like a snaphanse but may have been a fire starter instead of a gun lock.

It is fairly certain that the flintlock evolved from some sort of spring loaded flint/steel fire starter. This is supported by the early gun flints being the same as tinder flints.ie spall flints rather than the modern knapped French style square flints. One can imagine some matchlock user looking at one of these new fangled spring loaded flint strikers and having a 'eureka' moment.

 

[tenngun]

No doubt. The Leonardo wheelock drawing was detailed, slthough the springs look to light if made to scale. The snaphanse is just a crude sketch. Leonardo was a reniscince man to the core with an interest in everything and seems more then willing to draw anything he saw or grabbed his interest. For that reason I would hesitate to say that Leonardo invented the wheelock or snaphanse only that they were coming in to existence at that time.

 

[19 16 6]

Inventions, designs and stories that are nearly identical have popped up around the world in different locations and cultures that, as far as we know, never had contact with each other. Men's mind tend to work similarly everywhere. And where there was contact ideas would spread fairly quickly.

This is a good observation of the way an idea forms.
Have you ever had an amazing enlightening idea & not know how it popped into your head. The ideas seem to float in the ether & every now & then our mind jags one. Like fishing at a weir overflow with an unbaited hook & catching a fish by the eye.
The idea formed in another place than in the heads of man & was put out to us the same as we get fish from the table of grace.
O.

 

[guillaume van mastrigt]

On of the first flintlock revolver

 

[TFoley]

Henry repeaters were used in the war of northern aggression as were a couple of single shot cartridge guns - spencer I believe was one.

PS
Hmmm. I didn't start reading page 2 till after this post. Y'all covered it well.
TC

The spencer was a seven-shot repeater, not a single shot.

 

[fishmusic]

A good book on the subject of early locks is "The Flintlock," by Torsten Lenk. It is dry reading at times but gives you a good overview of the development of the flintlock and all of the overlapping timelines. It also has some great pics of decorations on early guns. I picked up a paperback copy a Half Priced Books for $7. Don't think it is still in print.