For the matchlock fans...

[RAEDWALD]

'rude word' I cannot edit my post above.

Note also that one of the bandoliers looks as if it functioned as a priming flask with a spouted top. Just under the ball bags.

 

[Irishmusket]

Bamboo speed loaders. Just as 16th-17th century Europeans had bandoliers of wooden powder bottles, the Japanese had boxes of bamboo tubes with pre-measured powder in them.

I compete in primitive biathlon with a matchlock smoothbore. It's a timed course, so I have to load quickly. I have a bandolier of powder bottles, which work fine. I am more picky than your average 17th century shooter, firing tight patched ball, but I can still load in about thirty seconds.

 

[Irishmusket]

Keep in mind that they did not patch balls in those days Infact you never patched the ball in a smooth bore they are not rifles

 

[Pukka Bundook]

Irish,

In the 18th/19th century , we get writers like Col. George Hanger, who specified sewing balls in leather for speedy loading in his double barreled shotgun.
Also, there are depictions of patches from the 16th Century, for use in matchlocks that were mainly smooth -bored.
We can get into trouble as soon as we use the terms "Never" or "Always".

 

[toot]

those terms will bite you in the BUTT.

 

[Brian Anderson]

on the bandolier in the lower photo the primer appears to have a lever spout - first one l've noticed

 

[Irishmusket]

Irish,

In the 18th/19th century , we get writers like Col. George Hanger, who specified sewing balls in leather for speedy loading in his double barreled shotgun.
Also, there are depictions of patches from the 16th Century, for use in matchlocks that were mainly smooth -bored.
We can get into trouble as soon as we use the terms "Never" or "Always".

The point am I trying to make is that in the 17th and 18 th century Matchlocks arquebuses hand gonnes and muskets they DID NOT patch the ball .They simply dropped the ball down the barrel then rammed wadding down on top of the ball firmly seating the ball and wadding on top of the charge of gun powder with your drivel(ram rod)This was the excepted practice in those days and regulations in the militia .

 

[Pukka Bundook]

Dear Irish,

The point I am trying to make, it that there are cases when the ball Was patched, even going back to the early 1500's.
Also, if you are aware of Patrons, used for holding prepared ammunition, you will see that they were made to hold the ball and correct charge of powder. these date back to the early 1500's.
Sometimes, the paper cartridge was attached to the sprue of the ball, and at other times, the ball was enclosed in the cartridge, as we see in later military use, with say, the Brown Bess.
Again, my point is we must not generalize, because when we Do, something will rear it's head to prove us wrong!
See below, and remember, you are telling us here that these did not exist.

For further reading, and many photos, you can go tho this thread;



In the below engraving, you will clearly see a punch for cutting patches, amongst 16th C matchlock paraphernalia.

Best,
Richard.

 

[Irishmusket]

Dear Irish,

The point I am trying to make, it that there are cases when the ball Was patched, even going back to the early 1500's.
Also, if you are aware of Patrons, used for holding prepared ammunition, you will see that they were made to hold the ball and correct charge of powder. these date back to the early 1500's.
Sometimes, the paper cartridge was attached to the sprue of the ball, and at other times, the ball was enclosed in the cartridge, as we see in later military use, with say, the Brown Bess.
Again, my point is we must not generalize, because when we Do, something will rear it's head to prove us wrong!
See below, and remember, you are telling us here that these did not exist.
View attachment 38810View attachment 38811View attachment 38812

For further reading, and many photos, you can go tho this thread;

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8540&highlight=Matchlock+ammunition
In the below engraving, you will clearly see a punch for cutting patches, amongst 16th C matchlock paraphernalia.View attachment 38814

Best,
Richard.

 

[Canute Rex]

WARNING...WARNING...WARNING

The Vikingsword link that Pukka offered up is dangerous: My browser (Firefox) warned that the site was trying to put malware on my computer for cryptocurrency generation. That is, a remote site hijacks your computing power to make money. If you clicked on that link you should check your computer for malware.

 

[Pukka Bundook]

I've been a member of that forum forever, and never had any trouble, Rex.
Thanks for the warning.
The link did come up slightly different to usual.



I'll ask a Mod to remove that link.

 

[RAEDWALD]

Ethnographic Arms & Armour - European Armoury will get you to the appropriate forum and then you can do some old thread diving.