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First pair of shoes I made. Spent several days designing them and then making them out of cloth to fit.
Spent allot of time trying to learn about them but their was nothing consistent. Very comfortable and last a long time, quiet shoes too.
I used Crepe rubber for the soles, learned allot about wear and tare on shoes.

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Full set of pics; http://imgur.com/a/MDUxM
 
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Nice work. There was some discussion on them here maybe a couple of years ago and it may be buried in a thread on moccasins. You might try a search. If I remember it was about the possibility of Scottish immigrants in SW VA, Tenn., NC area possibly wearing them but as my wife delights in pointing out I could be wrong. :grin:
 
Nice work. You may not have found consistent information as there is no right or wrong way to make what are nowadays called ghillie shoes. The name is a modern one. The design goes back into far distant times. Are pampooties next?
 
Dragonsfire, you are a wonderful addition to the community here! Thank you for sharing this. I have long admired these shoes and you have fabricated a wonderful pair. Your patience and craftsmanship are inspiring.

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Neat shoes. A lot fancier, though, than some early Highlander shoes I've read about.

Martin Martin, A Description of the Western Isles of Scotland (1703):
"THE shooes anciently wore, were a piece of the hide of a deer, cow, or horse, with the hair on, being tied behind and before with a point (lace) of leather."

Captain Burt, an English engineering officer, in Inverness, Scotland in 1730, describing Highlanders shoes:
"They are often barefoot, but some I have seen shod with a kind of pumps made out of a raw cow hide with the hair turned outward. They are not only offensive to the sight, but intolerable to the smell of those who are near them. By the way, they cut holes in their brogues though new made, to let out the water when they have far to go, and rivers to pass; thus they do to prevent their feet from galling."

Yours should smell better, at least for a while. :haha:

Spence
 
Interesting and, no doubt, very hc/pc.
But, I would never wear them in the woods. Too much chance of injury from stick, rocks, etc. My mocs are strictly for show at ronnies where chances of injury are minimal. Also as slippers at home. Foot injuries are serious business, especially when alone in the woods. Not knocking yer work, just my tuppence. :2
 
Thank you All !! :)

Ive read that they go as far back as the Romans and they went up the calf. Other then that the main info is Scottish and the point as mentioned is so they can cross streams/rivers as they carry their masters across and their "Shoes" don't fill up.
Pampooties, No, Boots, I have a full Moose hide for a pair as soon as I find an propionate design, my latest; https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/667/32573353266_28341fd3bc_b.jpg
I have the Plains patterns from Tandy but not to happy with them, so still looking. Mukluks are what I want to do however more sturdy for daily walk.
I also have to wait till some Crepe Rubber comes on sale, no point wearing a pair only to have a hole in one day. 8oz is the heaviest leather I have and pavement is merciless on natural fiber.
Positive Critique is always welcome :)

(I have worn these Ghillies in the brush, only the burrs were a problem :) )
 
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Dragonsfire said:
Thank you All !! :)

Ive read that they go as far back as the Romans and they went up the calf. Other then that the main info is Scottish and the point as mentioned is so they can cross streams/rivers as they carry their masters across and their "Shoes" don't fill up.
So are these within the time frame of this web site and in North America?
 
From what Ive read this style has been around at least since 900AD to today, nothing has pinpointed them from what I have come across, they have had several name including "Medieval","ghillie" (Noun) has meant "tongueless shoe with lacing up the instep" also "a male attendant on a Scottish Highland chief" (Ghillie boy). So "Ghillie" may not be the proper name for the shoe/sandle just that the name originated in Scotland.
This project was my stepping stone to lace boots my second shoe project.
 
Dragonsfire said:
From what Ive read this style has been around at least since 900AD to today, nothing has pinpointed them from what I have come across, they have had several name including "Medieval","ghillie" (Noun) has meant "tongueless shoe with lacing up the instep" also "a male attendant on a Scottish Highland chief" (Ghillie boy). So "Ghillie" may not be the proper name for the shoe/sandle just that the name originated in Scotland.
This project was my stepping stone to lace boots my second shoe project.
It sounds like you're saying that there's no documentation that they were in North America during this forum's time period? Which begs the question, why post them here?
 
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They would have worn their version of attire.

"When did the Scottish come to the US?

The first Scots began coming to the New World in the early 1600's, Emigration picked up during the Cromwellian Civil War in Britain, as many Scots from both sides were transported to the American Colonies in the mid-1600's. The Jacobite rebellions of 1715 and 1745 also saw numbers of Scotsmen transported to America, as did the Highland Clearances which came somewhat later. Scottish emigrants who had gone to northern Ireland as colonists of the Ulster plantations in the first half of the 16th century also emigrated to America in the early 1700's. These people, who were referred to as the "Scotch-Irish" were by far the most numerous group of Scottish Colonists to come to America. Between 1715 and 1776 some 250,000 of them arrived, mainly in the Chesapeake Bay region, and settled all along the east coast, particularly in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Virginia, North and South Carolina and later in Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, and beyond. A second wave of Scottish immigration came during the late 1800's and most of these Scots settled in the northeastern U.S. in the larger industrial cities, and included such worthies as Andrew Carnegie and Alexander Graham Bell. "
http://www.siliconglen.scot/Scotland/11_24.html
 
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Just in case this is relevant, if not the mod can remove the post.
They would have worn their version of attire.

"When did the Scottish come to the US?

The first Scots began coming to the New World in the early 1600's, Emigration picked up during the Cromwellian Civil War in Britain, as many Scots from both sides were transported to the American Colonies in the mid-1600's.
We know a lot of people came here early on. The question for some is, what did they bring and can it be documented? To say that it existed "prior" doesn't meet the criteria for it's use at a later date. (the "could have happened" theory)

We know many Italians emigrated here in the 1600's, but it's doubtful that they were wearing Roman Sandals. The fact that something existed prior to a point in time, doesn't necessarily mean it was in common use long after that date.

Personally, the only place I've seen a style of shoe like that is a modern day dancing shoe. I've never seen it associated with reenacting any of the periods that this Forum covers. That doesn't mean it wasn't worn, it just means I've not heard of it. I always welcome new information to add to my own knowledge - that's one of the reasons I started this Forum.
 
This type of footwearwas worn in Scotland in the 1600s and 1700s. The people being shipped over here as "indentured servants"/slaves came off the battlefield, and arrived here often more dead than alive. They were certainly not outfitted anew for the voyage, they were dressed in what they wore into battle. Such footwear was certainly seen in this Country, in the time periods mentioned. The "masters" here would not have been interested in providing their "servants" with new footwear.

I have seen patterns that were less open, and I would think a heavier weight leather might be more fitting for rugged use. (Not meant as a negative criticism of your work here.)

Richard/Grumpa
 
A lot of Scottish or Irish things show up on outfits today. One thing that comes to mind is Celtic pins, or large iron belt buckles. While not worn in America in general some one fresh off the ship could still have made or used something from the old. Ountry. The skills of the highlands quickly adapted in to the. Arolininas highlands.
Would someone who grew to adult hood makeing these change over to centerseams just because he moved?
Although we can't forget style. Would one have kept to these when alarming him were wearing center seams or shoes,
 
Welcome to the forum,

By the 18th century from what I’ve been able to research; the only Scots still wearing the soft footwear, known today as Ghillie Shoes, were the Highland Scots. The Lowland Scots had by this time transitioned almost solely to English style clothing and footwear. So to find use of Ghillie shoes in the Colonies, one should look for concentrations of Highland Scottish Immigrants.

One place in the American colonies we can be almost 100 percent sure of without documentation, that Ghillie Shoes were worn, was in Darien, GA circa 1735 and the following years. This because Governor James Oglethorpe of GA specifically recruited Highland Scots to settle there as part of a local Military Force to be a buffer between the British Colonies and Spanish Florida.

Unlike many areas in the British Colonies where Highland Dress was looked down on or socially banned, Highland Dress there was not only worn but celebrated and by no less than Governor James Oglethorpe himself. He went so far as to purchase a rather large quantity of different types of Highland Plaid Cloth from Scotland and imported it for his soldiers to wear for Kilts, Jackets and Hose. There is also a period drawing of Oglethorpe in Highland Dress he wore in GA as part of some military meetings or parades, that I posted a link to on this forum within the past three years.

Though the following is a bit romanticized and it makes some pretty common modern mistakes, this information is basically true with corrections added in brackets.

“In many ways these people were unique - especially from the viewpoint of the Native American. Most Scots [actually many Highland men and women and especially lower income folk] did not wear boots [or shoes for the warmer months of the year] like most other Europeans - they wore a soft leather footwear similar to a moccasin, they did not wear pants -- they wore a philbeg [spelled a number of ways, but always meant “little or short” kilt], or great tartan [actually the true or full kilt], they (for the most part) spoke Gaelic - not English, their family structure was similar to the Native American's - tribal, or clan. The Scots enjoyed the best relationship with Native Americans, especially the Creeks. The Scottish women had rights under the law and were allowed to own property. Women in the Darien community were trained in the "Manual of Arms" for rifles [actually muskets] and were capable of manning the battery of cannons at Fort Darien when the men were on patrol or fighting the Spanish.’ http://www.robertmackayclan.com/mclinks/darien.html

For a more scholarly work on those Immigrant Georgian Highlanders, try the book at this link: https://books.google.com/books/about/Scottish_Highlanders_in_Colonial_Georgia.html?id=-xNydb93XUMC

Many individual enlisted Highland Scottish Soldiers were allowed and even encouraged to settle here in the colonies after the French and Indian War. Some eventually settled in the Carolinas or Virginia and other areas, but most seem to have settled further north and especially in what is today Nova Scotia. When their families joined them, some of them would almost certainly have worn what we call Ghillie Shoes today.

Scots Wha Hae
Ne Obliviscaris

Gus
Clan Campbell
 
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