Goex express

[62flint]

Any one tried this new stuff?
Is it same, better,worse than reguler old goex?
I don't see nothing wrong with the goex I am shooting now.
People always got to try to make somthing better.
Can't leave well enough alone.

 

[roundball]

Any one tried this new stuff?
Is it same, better,worse than reguler old goex?
I don't see nothing wrong with the goex I am shooting now.
People always got to try to make somthing better.
Can't leave well enough alone.

Articles I've read led me to understand it's simply a finer screened Goex, to compete with Swiss...I love regular Goex and it works so fast and clean for me I can't imagine Express being still yet enough better to justify the price difference...my personal opinion

 

[jdixon]

I got some on the way from Powder Inc. I will give you a feild report once we get a chance to test it.

I have to say that I prefer the Swiss to red can Goex. I am finding that I get the same point of impact with 2/3 the load of Swiss compared with the regular Goex (i.e. 75 gr. FFFg Goex is hitting at the same place at 50 yrds as 50 gr. FFFg Swiss) and the groups with the Swiss usually are tighter. Swiss fouling is less and I spend less time swabbing between shots.

I have high hopes for the Express replacing Swiss as my serious target shooting rifle powder. I don't like buying the off-shore stuff when there is an American made product available.

 

[roundball]

I got some on the way from Powder Inc. I will give you a feild report once we get a chance to test it.

I have to say that I prefer the Swiss to red can Goex. I am finding that I get the same point of impact with 2/3 the load of Swiss compared with the regular Goex (i.e. 75 gr. FFFg Goex is hitting at the same place at 50 yrds as 50 gr. FFFg Swiss) and the groups with the Swiss usually are tighter. Swiss fouling is less and I spend less time swabbing between shots.

I have high hopes for the Express replacing Swiss as my serious target shooting rifle powder. I don't like buying the off-shore stuff when there is an American made product available.

FWIW, from a personal perspective, compared to my regular Goex and the lubes I use, I can't find a benefit...an actual advantage.

If Swiss (and now Goex Express) are the same respective powders, just screened finer, the reason we need to use less is because what used to be 2F is now somewhere between 2F and 3F...it would be faster, and therefore require less quantity, would foul less, etc....right?...no different than when I switch from regular Goex 2F to regular Goex 3F...I reduce the charge, get less fouling, etc.

And when I use Goex 3F with Natural Lube 1000 or Hoppes No9 Plus, I already shoot 50 shot range sessions every Saturday without wiping between shots at all...so it can't cause any less wiping between shots for me.

So I still don't know what my benefit would be for the half again higher cost...

 

[faw3]

For everyday shooting you wouldnt want to use it at that high price . Ive been shooting it for 4 months now as target powder (when you want to use everything you can to hit dead center) working up loads to see how a pair of target rifles like it over Swiss, so far they both shoot better with it(Express) I think it was made for the BPCRs, but works well in Witworth and 451s VOL Enfields. And my 48"barreled org factory H+A bench rifle just eats it up ( a 45 round ball 440 ball) Goex got smart and did what Curtis and Harvey #6 did,(the best powder maybe ever) and got the right tree for the charcoal,it burns more even , cleaner, a few other things. If you get on Goex main web and go thru a bunch of stuff to get to it they have the story of how and why ect,ect. Fred :hatsoff:

 

[roundball]

For everyday shooting you wouldnt want to use it at that high price . Ive been shooting it for 4 months now as target powder (when you want to use everything you can to hit dead center) working up loads to see how a pair of target rifles like it over Swiss, so far they both shoot better with it(Express) I think it was made for the BPCRs, but works well in Witworth and 451s VOL Enfields. And my 48"barreled org factory H+A bench rifle just eats it up ( a 45 round ball 440 ball) Goex got smart and did what Curtis and Harvey #6 did,(the best powder maybe ever) and got the right tree for the charcoal,it burns more even , cleaner, a few other things. If you get on Goex main web and go thru a bunch of stuff to get to it they have the story of how and why ect,ect. Fred :hatsoff:

That's interesting about different trees as the base...I had read posts where it was said a different screening process was used, so that the end result was finer, more consistent granulation... :shocked2:

 

[jdixon]

Quality control is obviously one thing, may even be the main element that gives the Swiss more consistent performance than red can Goex. There is more than just this however, the Swiss powder for instance just plain looks different, almost silvery in color. I am no chemist mind you but, obviously there is something in the Swiss powder not present in the Goex. Something else I have noticed is that the Swiss will not compress like the Goex will. When you compress the Goex are you breaking down the grains, eliminating air space, making 4F out of 3F and creating another variable in your load? Would this property of the Swiss powder make it more consistent? Just thinking out load here.

All of this talk about screening has got me interested in that. Where does one purchase a screen for black powder? I got a bunch of red can Goex on the shelf, if I could screen that stuff and get better performance out of it - I am all for it.

 

[roundball]

Quality control is obviously one thing, may even be the main element that gives the Swiss more consistent performance than red can Goex. There is more than just this however, the Swiss powder for instance just plain looks different, almost silvery in color. I am no chemist mind you but, obviously there is something in the Swiss powder not present in the Goex. Something else I have noticed is that the Swiss will not compress like the Goex will. When you compress the Goex are you breaking down the grains, eliminating air space, making 4F out of 3F and creating another variable in your load? Would this property of the Swiss powder make it more consistent? Just thinking out load here.

All of this talk about screening has got me interested in that. Where does one purchase a screen for black powder? I got a bunch of red can Goex on the shelf, if I could screen that stuff and get better performance out of it - I am all for it.

I think there's a very recent, probably still active post on the very subject of testing/screening Goex...

 

[faw3]

You'll find it on this site under "Great Powder Test" I never knew it was the charcoal that makes powders do different things till I was reading about the C+H # 6 and the tree's they used, then when Express was about to come out someone posted the link to the main Goex site and it had a few pages about how different wood made powder burn faster,slower,hotter,cooler,stayed soft when fired or got hard ect. Its a really good read by Goex. Fred :hatsoff:

 

[Sharp Shooter]

The new Goex burns cleaner, and is even better quality than the original. Because the express is hotter, you lower your powder charge so you would get more shots out of a can of express. So really if you think of it, price doese not matter because you get more shots out of express.

 

[roundball]

The new Goex burns cleaner, and is even better quality than the original. Because the express is hotter, you lower your powder charge so you would get more shots out of a can of express. So really if you think of it, price doese not matter because you get more shots out of express.

You might want to run those calculations a little more precisely...if money is no object to begin with then there's nothing to worry about, but I believe you'll find the "Swiss Reduction Factor" does not come close to paying for the difference in price...if it did, everybody would be flocking to it and other powder companies would be out of business.
:v

 

[Sharp Shooter]

I do not plan on trying but I was just thinking about how you might be paying for more shots out of express but you pay less for regular but you get less shots. Just a thought.

 

[leslie]

These dialoges about the relative merits of different powders,while most interesting,remind of my attempt to wean a little more HP out of a hot rod engine when I was about 17,a light year or so ago,I blew it up.Not that I am averse to something new and better,but when I get a powder patch ball combo that gives me 2"groups or less off the bench at 100 yds,I really need a whole lot more convincing arguments than slightly cleaner or maybe less costly.I can't shoot that well any way offhand the way most of the shoots here are handled.Old fashioned Goex is just fine.

 

[Russianblood]

I have an e-mail into Goex to see if there is a pressure difference between equal amounts of 1f Goex and Goex Express. I'm looking for a high quality, low pressure powder for my brass barreled blunderbuss.

 

How much more expensive is this new stuff compared to the regular Goex?

 

[roundball]

How much more expensive is this new stuff compared to the regular Goex?

People buy Goex at different prices so it would tough to make an across the board answer but from what I've seen, it's priced along side the price of Swiss if that'll help any

 

I'll be down to Friendship in September and I will compare the two prices when I am down there.For the informal shooting I do,I don,t think I would benefit from it enough to justify the added cost whatever it is.

 

[jdixon]

Express is running $16.00 a pound from Powder Inc. Swiss the same, Graf has Swiss for $18.00 a pound - their shipping is a little less so, for most orders I believe either one of these is about the same cost. Red can Goex is around $11.00 to $12.00 a pound. So in my situation, shooting a 1/3 less of the Swiss than the Goex, and Siwss is as much as 50% more, I don't believe there is a cost savings. At best I might be close to breaking even.

 

[oldarmy]

This might be off topic, but when I went over to the maine powder house to buy 25lbs of powder.
The owner talked me into buying the German Powder.
He liked it and the swiss, said it was just better powder then the Goex. I have shot both and find the german and the swiss foul less. In addition the term "american made" is missleading because there are no "nitrate" plants left in america. "assembled in america" is a better description.
Of course I don't know if this is actauly true.
Is Goex 100% amercian made, or assembled out of imported components???

 

[Wes/Tex]

Bill Knight did some extensive testing and being a chemist found some interesting things about black powder. Not only the different trees used for charcoal, but the sources of potassium nitrate can effect powder performance. Another find was the amount of glazing is determined by the amount of time the powder is rolled. If done too long, the powder will have a much thicker glaze which can result in more fouling or less
velocity in a certain amount of powder. This may be an underlying cause of why different shooters may encounter different results using the same brand of powder. Looks like there are a lot of "if's", "ands" or "buts" involved in the powder manufacturing bizz!