Good news from Fox Ridge Outfitters

[Pittsburghunter]

That looks the same but with a longer barrel. T/C doesn't sell these models anymore and I am glad Fox Ridge is. I noticed my catolog didn't tell me the barrel size but it did feel lighter to me than my friends WMC. T/C doesn't make their own stocks any more since the fire so The stocks may be the same I don't know for sure but the little flinter I held was a far cry from the WMC in the looks dept as well.

Mike, of course it doesn't look traditional to you. Geesh. :haha: It is a mass produced traditionally styled weapon not any type of reproduction.

 

[Brokenlaig]

By the look of the gun you pictured, they have a long way to go before I'd consider their product "Traditional". :winking:

It's a lot closer than one of them there "modern rifles that load from the muzzle". Closer related to a Hawken than a Remington 700.........wouldn't you agree to that? Heck, the stock is even that inefficient, expensive, natural cellulose product. :grin:

 

[Mike Brooks]

By the look of the gun you pictured, they have a long way to go before I'd consider their product "Traditional". :winking:

It's a lot closer than one of them there "modern rifles that load from the muzzle". Closer related to a Hawken than a Remington 700.........wouldn't you agree to that? Heck, the stock is even that inefficient, expensive, natural cellulose product. :grin:

We all have diferent likes and dislikes, I honestly don't see alot of diference between this gun and an inline, other than the obvious point of the lock is stuck on the side of the stock. Rubber buttpad, fiber optic sights stumpy little barrel.... this is a product designed to sell to people who are used to modern cartridge rifles, just like the inline M/L's. Nothing wrong with that, but this gun is no more "traditional" than a inline M/L.

Traditional guns are making a come back at Fox Ridge

I guess that statement is what caught my eye, to me this is not a "traditional" muzzleloader. Not a big deal and not meant to ruffle anybody's feathers. :v

 

[Pittsburghunter]

Really Mike? Does this mean I can expect the same performance and reliability out of one of these that I can out of my Encore or Omega? Some how I don't see one of these chucking a 250g Shockwave down range at 2200fps with MOA at 100yds. They are a short traditionally styled hunting rifle that are well made and affordable.

What would a Mike Brook's mass produced gun look like?

Things keep going this way this site will be for homemade and custom builders only. Ten people can be introduced to the sport with one of these rifles for what one of yours cost and thats ten people not buying an inline or 12gauge slug gun.

I love it now sidelocks are bashed on this site :bull:

 

[Mike Brooks]

Really Mike? Does this mean I can expect the same performance and reliability out of one of these that I can out of my Encore or Omega?

Beats me, I have no idea what an encore or omega is.....Greek letters ? :winking:

Some how I don't see one of these chucking a 250g Shockwave down range at 2200fps with MOA at 100yds.

I have no idea what a 250g shockwave is. If it's a bullet and I want to shoot 2200fps I'll shoot a cartridge gun.

They are a short traditionally styled hunting rifle that are well made and affordable.

Again, other than the sidelock I just have a hard time seeing anything "traditional" about it. It certainly looks well made, and I'm sure it's affordable.

What would a Mike Brook's mass produced gun look like?

You're never going to see one.

Things keep going this way this site will be for homemade and custom builders only. Ten people can be introduced to the sport with one of these rifles for what one of yours cost and thats ten people not buying an inline or 12gauge slug gun.

Things keep going this way this site will be for homemade and custom builders only. Ten people can be introduced to the sport with one of these rifles for what one of yours cost and thats ten people not buying an inline or 12gauge slug gun.

I've got no problems with these types of guns, I started out on one myself 30 years ago. I just have an issue with the term "traditional" being applied to a gun with a 20" barrel, fiber optic adjustable sights and a rubber butt pad.
You'll also noiced I said above:

Not a big deal and not meant to ruffle anybody's feathers

Ten people? how much do you think my guns cost? Maybe I need a raise! :haha:
Honestly , this is just my opinion and every one has one, looks like a great gun, and I'm sure most folks love it for what it is.

 

[Landngroove]

I noticed my catolog didn't tell me the barrel size but it did feel lighter to me than my friends WMC.

Fox Ridge Carbine: Barrel Length, 21". Page 69, Fox Ridge Catalog # 35. 15/16" across, page # 73. It is a fine looking muzzleloader! :thumbsup:

 

[Pittsburghunter]

Land and Groove that means the barrel should fit the White Mountain Carbine inline rifle. :grin:

 

[Pittsburghunter]

Ten people? how much do you think my guns cost? Maybe I need a raise!

They should go for quite a bit of money they are well made one of a kind items. I would bet 2-3 thousand or more.

 

[Mike Brooks]

Ten people? how much do you think my guns cost? Maybe I need a raise!

They should go for quite a bit of money they are well made one of a kind items. I would bet 2-3 thousand or more.

I start at half that, and my high end single barrel stuff goes for a little more than what you guessed.
I really meant no offence, just giving my opinion, as I said, I'm sure it's a well made and versatile rifle. :thumbsup:

 

[Pittsburghunter]

Yep, and it keeps us little folks shooting front stuffers.

There is no question that a custom rifle is better but even if every one on the board wanted one and could afford it it would be impossible for the builders to make that many rifles. It would be nice to see a semi-custom rifle on the market for shorter money but you need a factory to build one and anyone trying to find venture capital for that I bet would have a hard time.

I bet you ten bucks right now Mike that 3/4 of the people buying rifles and other m/l from you have owned at least one T/C.

 

[Pittsburghunter]

BTW Mike, I bought a chunk of hard maple to build a stock for a cheap gun that shoots real good. I do not have the time to make a stock out of it but I want it done. Is that something your company does? If not you know anyone around NH that does it? I don't want the stock finished but I do want most of the carving and inletting done.

 

[Mike Brooks]

I bet you ten bucks right now Mike that 3/4 of the people buying rifles and other m/l from you have owned at least one T/C.

No way I'm taking that bet, I'd loose! I always recommend TC's to anyone who wants to try out muzzleloading. there's no way you can go wrong with one of those. :thumbsup:

 

[Mike Brooks]

BTW Mike, I bought a chunk of hard maple to build a stock for a cheap gun that shoots real good. I do not have the time to make a stock out of it but I want it done. Is that something your company does? If not you know anyone around NH that does it? I don't want the stock finished but I do want most of the carving and inletting done.

I really don't consider my self a company, all I have is two hands a drill press and a band saw. :haha:
I'd get in contact with fred miller, He has alot of patterns he cuould precarve your stock to that you may like. I don't have his phone # on hand, maybe somebody else can post it.

 

[CrackStock]

I used a lot of short, light and inexpensive rifles to teach younguns to shoot YHEC events. This looks to be just about perfect. True, there are a few non PC issues, but it is a great start. I even like the shotgun style pad to get them started.

Of course, I will always have a custom fullstock flinter laying about to point them further along the path...

CS

 

[Mike Moore]

Sorry, but this sounds too much like a "blog" advertizement that I see all the time on the internet. Which I sm surprised the moderator let stay so long on here. When I put out a announcement about a upcoming lecture I was doing which included a dinner and all proceeds went to a historic foundation, it was pulled after a day.
Because it was thought of as a ad.
Blogging is a big thing today and many are using it to influence individuals, even some political movers and shakers are doing it. Since, even if it generates both positive and negetive comments, it is free advertisement. Slick items like this sound too good and the description of it sounds too much like commericals I see on t.v.
:shake:
mike.

 

[ryoung14]

mike,
The muzzleloader manufacturers regularly get lambasted on this site for abandoning the 'traditional' market in favor of producing inlines.

I'm happy to know that through FRO, TC is maintaining a good selection of traditionally styled guns that are well made, reliable and within reach of the average shooter.

If this is to continue we, as a group, would do well to direct prospective traditional shooters to FRO. As Mike Brooks pointed out, you can't go wrong with TC products. To some they're a beginner's gun. To guys like me, they're all the ML I'll ever want. Whichever the case, people have to start somewhere.

I think PghHunter's post was appropriate in that it demonstrates that TC has not abandoned the traditional market. We cannot expect their continued participation if prospective shooters remain unaware their products.

IOW, it's not fair to bash them for abandoning 'traditional' and then when (OOPS!) we find they didn't really; turn around and bash them for not being traditional enough while taking a swing at the guy who brought it to our attention.
Bob

 

[roundball]

Sorry, but this sounds too much like a "blog" advertizement that I see all the time on the internet. Which I sm surprised the moderator let stay so long on here. When I put out a announcement about a upcoming lecture I was doing which included a dinner and all proceeds went to a historic foundation, it was pulled after a day.
Because it was thought of as a ad.
Blogging is a big thing today and many are using it to influence individuals, even some political movers and shakers are doing it. Since, even if it generates both positive and negetive comments, it is free advertisement. Slick items like this sound too good and the description of it sounds too much like commericals I see on t.v.
:shake:
mike.

IMO, your assessment of pittsburghunter's post is off the mark...nothing wrong with somebody having a high energy level in describing something important to them...
:v