Got My Cheek Slapped and Don't Know Why
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3Fg in a .58 and loaded up to 115 grains.
gee I wonder what is making it slap you around...?
Ya know, I'd try it with 100-120 grains of 2Fg and see if that don't help tame it some.
Some fellas mention your hold and that if you are holding different it could be the cause of your issue. What were you wearing for clothes when shooting?
A thick coat and a t-shirt take up differing amounts of space, and they will effect the rifles placement when shouldered. If you are practiced up shooting in a thick coat then shoot without one another day, it can change things and the other way around.
gee I wonder what is making it slap you around...?
Ya know, I'd try it with 100-120 grains of 2Fg and see if that don't help tame it some.
Some fellas mention your hold and that if you are holding different it could be the cause of your issue. What were you wearing for clothes when shooting?
A thick coat and a t-shirt take up differing amounts of space, and they will effect the rifles placement when shouldered. If you are practiced up shooting in a thick coat then shoot without one another day, it can change things and the other way around.
Back down on the powder to around 70 grains and work up.
There are many reasons your shooting has gone south which I will not go into here.
One thing you did not share is how long have you been shooting this rifle with that load combination?
There are many reasons your shooting has gone south which I will not go into here.
One thing you did not share is how long have you been shooting this rifle with that load combination?
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I got that barrel in April 2010 Richard. The target file for that gun shows I have something over 325 shots out of it. (63 five-shot targets in the file, plus a good bit of non-target shooting). Been shooting loads of from 95 grains FFg to 120 grains FFFg since the day I got it. Don't ever recall getting cheek slapped before.
I know you're going to call flinch. But it ain't so.
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Semisane said:
Did you pinch the gun's butt first? That could explain things. :nono:
Back down on the powder to around 70 grains and work up.
There are many reasons your shooting has gone south which I will not go into here.
One thing you did not share is how long have you been shooting this rifle with that load combination?
There are many reasons your shooting has gone south which I will not go into here.
One thing you did not share is how long have you been shooting this rifle with that load combination?
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Richard Eames said:
Oughta read before you post such things:
Actually I posted my post at 11-01 PM and the OP responded to mine at 11-10 PM, 9 minutes later, might want to check your facts.
I had a lot of thoughts why he might have been having some new problems and was attempting to learn from him, not you.
You responded at 11-53 PM.
Yep, need to read before responding.
Have a nice evening.
I had a lot of thoughts why he might have been having some new problems and was attempting to learn from him, not you.
You responded at 11-53 PM.
Yep, need to read before responding.
Have a nice evening.
rustyh
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Probably just the burn rate of the 3F. I have noticed if I use 3F instead of 2F in my GPR even if I lower the 3F charge by 5% I will get some cheek slap.
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Dust your cheek with some talcum powder and try it again, I bet it will feel like it did originally.
What happens is in hot weather you get a little sweat going and it sticks your cheek to the stock and feels like someone cold cocked you when firing a heavy kicker. Mike D.
What happens is in hot weather you get a little sweat going and it sticks your cheek to the stock and feels like someone cold cocked you when firing a heavy kicker. Mike D.
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My .58 kicks something fearful with the hunting load I worked up for it.
150 grains of 2F behind a 620 grain maxi.
"Cheek slapped" would not quite describe it , more like "sucker punch" but my did it make a nice round two inch group at 100 yards for as long as I could stand to shoot it.
I used a heavy, strapped on, Past shoulder pad to make it manageable but it's flat out grim to shoot, bare shouldered, with the brass butt hook it has. Mike D.
150 grains of 2F behind a 620 grain maxi.
"Cheek slapped" would not quite describe it , more like "sucker punch" but my did it make a nice round two inch group at 100 yards for as long as I could stand to shoot it.
I used a heavy, strapped on, Past shoulder pad to make it manageable but it's flat out grim to shoot, bare shouldered, with the brass butt hook it has. Mike D.
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That's a thought M.D.
Now I have a decision to make; put up with the ribbing when I powder my face in front of the guys at the range, or accept the cheek slap. The slap may be easier to bear. :rotf:
Now I have a decision to make; put up with the ribbing when I powder my face in front of the guys at the range, or accept the cheek slap. The slap may be easier to bear. :rotf:
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Now that's a heck of interesting possibility! I sure can't figure out any other explanations for such a change in recoil from a load and gun that have been shot so much.
We gotta hear the report back on this one! :thumbsup:
We gotta hear the report back on this one! :thumbsup:
hmmm? I have an idea for the logo on the .58 possibles bag............No never mind :redface:
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I think your load is HOT. 110 grains of 3F in a .58 rifle??? :youcrazy:
I switch to 2F on anything over .45 caliber.
If that was my rifle, I'd start out at 40 grains 2F and work up from there until you find the sweet spot.
As an example, my TC Hawken with Green Mountain .54 barrel is deadly accurate at 100 yards with 70 grains Goex 2F. If I stretch our to 140 yards, I load it up to 100 grains.
You don't need a lot of powder to shoot 100 yards. You really don't. Go back to the range on a calm day. Spread a white sheet out in front of your shooting bench. Look for unburned powder on the sheet. If you see powder on the sheet, you're just wasting it.
I switch to 2F on anything over .45 caliber.
If that was my rifle, I'd start out at 40 grains 2F and work up from there until you find the sweet spot.
As an example, my TC Hawken with Green Mountain .54 barrel is deadly accurate at 100 yards with 70 grains Goex 2F. If I stretch our to 140 yards, I load it up to 100 grains.
You don't need a lot of powder to shoot 100 yards. You really don't. Go back to the range on a calm day. Spread a white sheet out in front of your shooting bench. Look for unburned powder on the sheet. If you see powder on the sheet, you're just wasting it.
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Talc the stock. Mike D.
I believe he been shooting that load for awhile with no issues and great accuracy??
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azmntman said:
Yep! Check out the two targets from 2012 (#60 & 61) in my original post. Those were shot over a chronograph to see what the 115 grain load was doing - one with FFFg and one with FFg. Chrono readings are at the bottom of the targets.
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Pretty hot load imho with the "wrong" powder granulation. Did you shoot that load combo through a chronograph? I bet dropping down to around 100 grains will hardly change anything if at all. I would really watch for unburned(wasted powder),too. Your barrel is not that long.
I shoot 80 grains 2F (Reenactor powder) with a .630 ball out of a .65 Jaeger.
Another possibility may be your wiping routine if any.One suspicion is, that your jag maybe worn down a little and you don't get all the crud you want and it builds up. Or did you change cleaning patch material??? This will make your barrel tighter,too. Another factor maybe you changed your patch slickness from slicker to drier, giving you more pressure build up. Did you use older pre-lubed (dried out) patches??
I shoot 80 grains 2F (Reenactor powder) with a .630 ball out of a .65 Jaeger.
Another possibility may be your wiping routine if any.One suspicion is, that your jag maybe worn down a little and you don't get all the crud you want and it builds up. Or did you change cleaning patch material??? This will make your barrel tighter,too. Another factor maybe you changed your patch slickness from slicker to drier, giving you more pressure build up. Did you use older pre-lubed (dried out) patches??
