GRRRR Brit versions of American History

[Claude Mathis]

You guys need to keep this discussion in a historic context. No talk about the modern day Klan, DNC, current events, etc.

 

[tenngun]

Well Claud I didn't like the DNC of 1840 either

 

[gearheart]

"History is written through the eyes of the victor ..."
Anonymous

In the absence of a clear victory numerous versions of history emerge. War of 1812 is a case in point. I still remember my grade 7 teacher asking "Who can tell what happened in 1812" My hand shot up but it seemed that Napoleon's misfortune in Russia was not the right answer. We then learned how Canada fought off the invaders and won the war. Later I heard from my American father in law that the Americans won it. As I grew older and wiser I noted that nothing had changed. No territory was gained or lost. I decided that nobody won the war of 1812,but the NAs sure lost it as they were hoping for a homeland. :v

 

[54ball]

Later I heard from my American father in law that the Americans won it. As I grew older and wiser I noted that nothing had changed. No territory was gained or lost.

I guess the states and territories of Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan Territory and the Northern Territories that became the states Minnesota and Wisconsin do not count.

While these areas were technically in US Territory before the War they were inhabited by Indian nations, many hostile to the United States. A great example is Tecumseh's Pan Indian Movement in the Northwest and even influencing the Redstick Creeks in the Southwest. These tribes,confederations and the European powers who aided them were a direct threat to the United States, if not to the country's expansion west but maybe to it's existence as we know it all together.

Sadly the Indians who allied with the Americans during the conflict ultimately fared no better than the hostile tribes.

The War of 1812 was a pivotal time in history for the Native American. One of the more honorable efforts of the fledgling nation was to educate Native Americans and assimilate them into American society. The Indian Wars during the War of 1812 made the "Plan for Civilization" politically impossible. The result was Indian removal in the East, a near century of Indian wars in the west and the reservation system.

As a result of the War of 1812, The United States reaffirmed it's Independence and ended European intrigue in and near it's borders. This resulted in the Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

states that stayed in the union that were still slave states were Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missiouri.

Maryland had a tough time leaving the Union with 75,000 Union soldiers camped about the countryside.

The cannons in Batimore's harbor FACE the city, not the sea, as the Union forces there were worried about insurrection.

The state song is anti-union, The despot's heel is on thy shore...., Dear Mother burst thy tyrant's chain..., Virginia should not call in vain..., she is not dead, nor deaf, nor dumb, Huzza she spurns the Northern scum, ... doesn't sound "Union" to me.

And there were Confederate military units from Maryland.

Anyway...

Flip a coin when watching MPT. They buy programming they don't produce it and they couldn't vet nor fact check it to save their lives... of course Discovery is located in Silver Spring Maryland and they can be worse and The History Channel isn't about history anymore.

LD

 

[54ball]

The History Channel isn't about history anymore.

You got that right. :hatsoff:

 

[satx78247]

Don't hold your breath until PBS tells "the uncomfortable truth" about TWBTS & in particular the DY DEATH CAMPS like Point Lookout, Camp Douglas & the NY Prison Hulks, where THOUSANDS of rebel EPW were tortured, denied medical care/tentage/blankets/food/clean water and (especially if "other than white people") just plain murdered.
Included in those THOUSANDS of "mysteriously disappeared" were 4 NA boys from my family who were murdered in cold-blood at Point Lookout, MD only because of their skin-color.
(Fwiw, the Unionist apologists say that between 3-5000 POW died at Point Lookout. The ACTUAL number of "mysterious disappearances" is more likely between 15,000 - 20,000 EPW.)

Shortly after TWBTS, the former commanding officer of Camp Douglas Death Camp admitted in an interview, published in THE CHICAGO TIMES newspaper, that "non-white" POW were routinely murdered by the guards, as "Bullets were cheaper than beans" and "We deemed that they were simply not worth feeding."

yours, satx

 

[tenngun]

Civil wars, wars of religion,wars of independence breed a special kind of hatred.An enemy from a nother nation is just doing his job, an enemy from your own nation or you own faith is a traitor to all you hold dear.
Jew to Jew in the bible,the century of roman civil war at the end of the republic,the French and the hugonaughts, the round heads and cavilers,vietnam after america left are all just examples of an unreasond hate for people of the same kind

 

[satx78247]

HATRED because a person is "NON-white" or "of a different religious persuasion" is NEVER acceptable. = It's called: RACISM and/or INTOLERENCE toward another person's religion. - Today we would call such behavior a "hate crime".

During TWBTS most "white Christian" soldiers were treated at least "with minimal decency" by the majority of Union soldiers.
Otoh, FEW "non-white" and/or "other than of the Christian faith" rebel service-members were treated with anything but savagery and the vast majority, who were captured, did NOT survive the WBTS.
(Typical of Unionist treatment of NON-white CSA personnel, who were unfortunate enough to be captured, was the case of the >70YO man MANGAS COLORADOS, who "had bayonets, which had been heated 'red hot' in a fire, applied to his body until he died. This process took several hours and was accompanied by great hilarity on the part of his captors." - Source: a US Army-sponsored display at The US POW Center, Andersonville, GA.)

yours, satx

 

[tenngun]

so true. War is hell and civil wars are the lowest pit. It can not excuse the activities of the union army.nor the equal evils done by southren irregulars. They do however match a patten of evil that while earning no excuses is no worse then others have done.

 

[satx78247]

EXACTLY. - Tonight here in The Alamo City "The 'History' Channel" is running an evening about the STUNTS of daredevils & the current contributions of Hollywood stuntmen to the making of movies during "primetime hours" and a show about pawn shop sales the rest of Tuesday evening.

yours, satx