• Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight.

    We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.

    Use this link to sign up please; https://membership.nra.org/recruiters/join/XR045103

Hard Lessons Learned

Muzzleloading Forum

Help Support Muzzleloading Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

kodiakmarine

40 Cal.
Joined
Jan 22, 2009
Messages
300
Reaction score
0
I guess we all have run into problems while pursuing our love of ML, and learned some hard lessons along the way. I think it might be worthwhile to beginners if we can start a thread about some of the potential pitfalls and how to avoid them.

Hard lesson number 1: My first muzzleloader was a .54 caliber Lyman Great Plains Rifle in percussion. It was one fine old gun. It was easy to load using only the original ramrod, it was accurate, and had a much more authentic look to it than your typical factory "Hawken".

The GPR served me well for years, but I got a longing for something else. I wanted a longrifle, preferably in flint. I had heard a lot about Hatfield rifles and did some online reading about them. Unfortunately, I was only finding articles singing their praises (I was not yet a forum member). I found out about the dark side of Hatfields only after selling my GPR and buying a Hatfield online.

The positives of the Hatfield was that it had nice architecture and the loveliest piece of curly maple I had ever held in my own hands. The negatives were everything else. The rifle wasn't as well made as I thought it would be. The thimbles had holes cut in the bottom to be held in place by screws. This feature was an eye sore on an otherwise beautiful gun. The thing that really hurt was the barrel. It was constricted in more than one place and was difficult in the extreme to load, or even run a cleaning jag down the barrel. I had to use a cleaning rod for an old .22 to clean the gun before and after the only time I ever took it to the range and shot it. It just wasn't worth the trouble and frustration. I ended up needing funds for an emergency that came up and decided to sell (for a lot less than I paid) the rifle I had lost interest in and no longer used. This led to:

Hard lesson number two: I should never have sold the Hatfield. It was a beautiful rifle with great wood and a fine finish. I could have simply shopped around for a replacement barrel from a quality maker. I could have bought some new thimbles, tenons, and pinning wire to correct that issue. A convertible replacement lock from TOW and I would have had the rifle I wanted for perhaps $300 or a little more over a period of two or three months, which would have easily been manageable.

The moral of the story is:

a) Check out information on a gun thoroughly before purchase.

b) When purchasing a gun online, take it apart and inspect everything at delivery. Take a bore light and checkout the bore. Run a cleaning jag down it. If it is not the gun you thought you were getting then send it back for a refund immediately. Btw, the problem was my fault for not checking out the bore upon delivery, not the fault of the shop that sold the rifle.

c) Always look for simple ways to solve a problem before giving up on a gun. It will cost you a lot less in the long run.

d) Join the forum and be active! This is the greatest resource on the net for traditional ML. I will always feel like a beginner in company like this. I never cease to be amazed by the accomplishments of my fellow forum members in shooting, gun building, reenacting, and everything else associated with muzzleloading. Had I taken this step first, I could have avoided most of the problems I encountered.

Good luck to all, and never stop having fun with, imho, what has to be the greatest hobby a human being can have. - John
 
Boy,

If we all posted the hard lessons we've learned, this thread would probably wind up being 50 pages long.

I've got too many to list .. so I won't. :surrender:
 
My hard learned lessons were- wasting so much time on lubes that were manure,using hard lead,and the worst ever - thinking an scoped inline would be so much better-there i said it now maybe i can sleep.
 
mink oil from tow, i have tried all kinds of store bought and home brewed so far its given me the best results.
 
If you're working with a "builder" for a new firearm, don't assume they are actually going to build it. ASK. Could be they are planning to farm it out to someone with inadequate experience and what you receive won't meet your expectations or even "normal" quality standards.

Don't ask me how I learned this, but through my posts over time on this experience, many here probably already know. :redface:
 
I had a similar experience when I started. I was given a formula that had everything but Tobasco sauce. I now use DGW syntheic sperm whale oil. I'll have to try Track's mink oil sometime. - John
 
Sounds painful and expensive. It never occurred to me that a builder would trust his reputation to someone of lesser ability. Thanks for sharing. - John
 
I too have many "hard lessons" learned over my 50 + years of shooting smokepoles.
The first hard and painful lesson learned was when I was about 16 and figured if I drilled out the flash hole on my '63 Springfield nipple, I would get faster ignition... wrong. All that got me was a piece of the cap imbedded in my fore head when the hammer blew back to half cock.

Lesson learned never drill nipples out.
 
bpd303 said:
I too have many "hard lessons" learned over my 50 + years of shooting smokepoles.
The first hard and painful lesson learned was when I was about 16 and figured if I drilled out the flash hole on my '63 Springfield nipple, I would get faster ignition... wrong. All that got me was a piece of the cap imbedded in my fore head when the hammer blew back to half cock.

Lesson learned never drill nipples out.

Now I have the image of someone standing there with a stunned look on their face, and a copper colored middle eye.

Thanks for the laugh. LOL!
 
When you do your research via the Net, pay attention to the dates on posts. Often a manufacturer will make changes to a gun model, some good, some not so good. For example, IIRC Hatfield started out pretty good and then changed hands, so quality varied by vintage. The best thing is to find good forums like this one and, if possible, a group of shooters. You can only get so much from the written word. And keep it light. After all, this is supposed to be fun.
 
Since reaching adulthood, I've noticed that most of the lessons I've learned cost me either money or blood, SOMETIMES...both. :hmm:
There I was,in my late 20's, (back in the 1970's) I decided to mail-order a T/C Hawken. When it arrived, I took it, and a partial can of Austin BP a buddy gave me(something he had "laying around") out to the farm, and started to shoot. UNFORTUNATELY...there was nobody in my sphere of friends who knew much about BP shooting, and sadly..Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet so I was on my own. I didn't know about fouling build-up. As it got increasingly difficult to load each shot...I just pushed harder on that T/C ramrod.
FORTUNATELY...when it BROKE :shocked2: ...(you knew it would...)it didn't go through my hand. This particular lesson only cost me money, and was well worth the price :surrender:
 
Back
Top