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"The Hawken Rifle" A history from the National Park Service.



People today are fascinated with many of the common tools used by settlers in the American West. This fascination is most evident with the firearms used by people who served in the military, explored the West, or journeyed to the rugged mountains in search of beaver and other fur-bearing animals. One of the most famous firearms of all time was the legendary Hawken Rifle. A myth has grown up around the Hawken, which infers that every fur trapper and trader carried this particular brand of firearm into the Rockies, and felt that any other type of rifle was second-rate. It is fitting that the Museum of Westward Expansion should display a Hawken rifle, since these firearms were manufactured in St. Louis; but the Hawken rifle is not displayed to give the impression that it was the only weapon of the mountainman era.

When Jacob Hawken arrived in St. Louis in 1818, the town was still a tiny fur trading outpost on the edge of the wilderness. St. Louis was just starting to be known as the logical supply point for people headed west, due to its excellent location along natural overland and water routes. Hawken came to St. Louis from Harpers Ferry, Virginia (today's West Virginia), where he, his father and brothers were gunsmiths in the federal armory. It is probable that Jacob learned his gun-making skills during his years in the armory, skills he brought to St. Louis in 1818. A commercial hub such as St. Louis provided Hawken with the supplies he needed to repair and manufacture firearms. Hawken befriended James Lakenan, another local gunsmith, who, according to local records, operated a shop at the corner of Hickory and First Streets
 
Kind of like the "Cliff's Notes" of The Hawken book...guess I don't need to buy it now, thanks!
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I had read an article years ago that may shed some light on why the Hawkens were less popular with the mountain men. The gun was a premium rifle for the time. A full stock ran about $50 with the half stock 50 cents more.

This was at a time that a trade gun ran about 6 or 7 dollars and the Derringer, Henry and Lyman trade rifles ran about $10-$12 dollars. The Booshways and owners could afford to pay that kind of cash but the average mountain man could not.
 
You want a good book on the subject of the Hawkens rifle, you might want to take a look at Cahrles Hanson's "Plains Rifle". It was my reference book when I built my Lyman GPR. Many good photos.

Just :m2c:
 
I had read an article years ago that may shed some light on why the Hawkens were less popular with the mountain men. The gun was a premium rifle for the time. A full stock ran about $50 with the half stock 50 cents more.

This was at a time that a trade gun ran about 6 or 7 dollars and the Derringer, Henry and Lyman trade rifles ran about $10-$12 dollars.

That's on the high side for Hawkens and low for at least some of the trade rifles........

These invoices are in the American Fur Co. Papers, Missouri Historical Society (Y8, Z13-15, Z158, Z298).

1836 Rendezvous........
2 Am Rifle @$17.50
7 " " @$11.00
8 Hawkins " from $20 to $26
84 N. W. Guns @$4.50
2 Rifles Hawkins @$24

the 1837 rendezvous:
36 N. W. Guns best quality @$4.50
5 Am. Rifles steel mounted @$19
10 Hawkens Rifles @$24
12 N W Guns @$4.50
(note Am Rifle(s) are the trade rifles and at least some are not that much less than the Hawkens)

Also the book "Firearms of the American West 1803-1865" lists several 1830's orders to the Henry & Deringer Companies from various fur trade items showing their WHOLESALE COST for the trade rifles as $10.00 - $14.00. Therefore retail would be more - at least a 50-100% markup. Also Sam Hawken noted that when he took over the shop in 1849 after Jake's death that the price was $25.00.

IMO - it wasn't so much that Hawkens were less "popular" it was rather that their availability/production was so much less than the big vendors:
For instance here's the Hawken shop production for the periods:
1831 to 1840, - 48 Total Rifles, which includes 1 Trade Gun, 1 shotgun.
1841 to 1858, - 83 Total Rifles
1826 to 1846, - 27 Pistols...

Another good book is "The Hawken Rifle, Its Place in History" by Charles E. Hanson, Jr. available from many vendors.

As always others mileage may vary..........
 
Hawken came to St. Louis from Harpers Ferry, Virginia (today's West Virginia), where he, his father and brothers were gunsmiths in the federal armory. It is probable that Jacob learned his gun-making skills during his years in the armory, skills he brought to St. Louis in 1818.
What are you doing with a sentence like this? Did he learn his dish-washing, cloth-ironing, and cooking skills at the armory??? What are you doing at an armory?

I am just puzzled all the time with this "historical" manure.
 
Hawken came to St. Louis from Harpers Ferry, Virginia (today's West Virginia), where he, his father and brothers were gunsmiths in the federal armory. It is probable that Jacob learned his gun-making skills during his years in the armory, skills he brought to St. Louis in 1818.
What are you doing with a sentence like this? Did he learn his dish-washing, cloth-ironing, and cooking skills at the armory??? What are you doing at an armory?

I am just puzzled all the time with this "historical" manure.

I think the point being is that he didn't bring gunsmithing skills to the armory, but rather learned those skills while employed at the armory.

Larry
 
What I've always thought so interesting about the Hawken brothers was that their ancesters were Nicholas and Wolfgang Hachen...1st generation German immigrants and gunsmiths that came into Pennsylvania in the mid 1700s.
 
I visited a museum in Salt Lake City a few weeks ago and saw (and photograhed) a nice full stock, percussion Hawken Rifle. It was dated 1833 as I remember.

WB
 
What I've always thought so interesting about the Hawken brothers was that their ancesters were Nicholas and Wolfgang Hachen...1st generation German immigrants and gunsmiths that came into Pennsylvania in the mid 1700s.

I believe the Hawken (Hachen) family came from Switzerland, not Germany.
 
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