Hawkeye

[Loyalist Dave]

So..., I was at Cracker Barrel a couple of weekends ago, and found the full single year of the TV series Hawkeye starring Lynda Carter [wonder woman] and Lee Horsley [Matt Houston]. It was done in 1995, three years after Last of The Mohicans.

Well they try pretty hard, but I wonder if the folks in Hollywood are so insulated from the rest of the world they simply don't know where to go or where to look for stuff? The executive producer was Stephen J. Cannell who did a bunch of successful series in the '80's and '90's but this was I guess the exception to the rule....

The rifles and muskets are Pedersoli..., OK not bad, but the costuming for the men needs some work, and for Lynda Carter, IT SUCKS. :barf: Not to mention they tried to adapt some existing sets from Westerns for the show.

I don't know why costumers, who are often women too, do such a craptastic job on women's fashions in history when something is produced out of California. You can tell in some of the shots they are using reenactors as extras, as the costuming suddenly jumps up about "ten notches". God Forbid they'd ask the living historians what Carter should wear.....

But you see Lynda Carter without a cap, wearing a shift with short sleeves that end before her elbows, and she often is conducting business in her general store in the middle of the day while wearing a ball gown. :shocked2:

They are at a trading post inside a military fort, and you see the sentries walking the upper walkway on the walls... the tops of said walls only coming up to the sentries' thighs...so what they did was slap a catwalk up on a single story, Western, cavalry stockade. :shake:

Rodney Grant [Dances with Wolves: Wind in His Hair] plays Chingachgook, and does a pretty good job, and the part is written pretty well for his character, so he is actually fun to watch.

Well for $12 it's bad but fun to watch in some parts, and real pity they didn't spend a bit more time and some more cash as it had some potential.

LD

 

[Tallswife]

its tv, they do it cheap so they can make a profit.

Sad though.

 

[hawkeye2]

"for Lynda Carter, IT SUCKS :barf: ."

I would have watched and enjoyed every episode if they had put her back in her Wonder Woman outfit. :shocked2: As an aside a group of memorabilia from the show including her costume was on display in the Smithsonian many years ago. I was amazed at how small, size wise, not as in skimpy, her outfit was.

 

[sooter76]

I remember liking this series when I saw as a kid in its original run, so I to picked it up at Cracker Barrel. Big mistake! It's just so... BAD! And not just in the weapons and costuming you already mentioned but even in the writing and a lot of the acting.

I couldn't get past the first 20 minutes.

 

[Alden]

Sorry, but pre-Victorian women's clothing is really ugly on them with few exceptions. From the stupid caps (which you CANNOT "set for a man") to the ugly stockings (well, except for yellow of course).

You can't take an of-age Lynda Carter and dress her in period correct common work-a-day clothing. Sorry, even that ain't gonna work. Why bother? At that point it doesn't matter what's in those clothes. What's most important for a young woman in life is to be beautiful.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

would have watched and enjoyed every episode if they had put her back in her Wonder Woman outfit

Don't be jealous......

I Know Her. :grin:

I met her when her mom made a police report and I as a patrol officer was there taking the report. I saw a photograph of Ms. Carter in the home and said, "Hey that looks like Lynda Carter", and the lady said, "Yes, she's my daughter." :shocked2:

I recall I paused and said, "Wow", and then, as if on cue, somebody walked through the front door, into the living room, saying, "Mom, why is there a police car out front?" It was Ms. Carter. I turned and saw who it was and then just said, "Wow".

Anyway, she's very nice, and I've seen her a few more times around the community. I was not impressed by her husband's demeanor when I met him once, off duty.

Anyway, back to the thread, the writers who slap this stuff together really miss out on some pretty interesting things that I think would attract a large, American audience. Just the differences in the laws and attitudes towards women, the attitudes about "Savages", religion, just the contrasts with what we expect today to what woman had to put-up with back then...then add some life threatening situations, war, raids, disease, even a common, minor injury that we slap first aid salve on could kill you back then....... :shake:

LD

 

[innocent bystander]

I know this is an old post, but I am trying to bring together an outfit from the F&I ear and I found that this show is entertaining and wanted to ask what exactly is wrong with Hawkeye's outfit. I'm not doubting you, just want to know what's wrong with it.

I realize that he's wearing pants or at least knee breeches with his leggings and his moccasins are wrong. And his shirt is tucked in which I'm assuming should be out (to cover his rear while wearing leggings). And, no hat (but in Hollyweird, seeing the face is more important than a hat).

Is there a problem with the material of his shirt? How about the wampam belt he's wearing? Anything else?

 

[Grenadier1758]

I think if you want to put together an outfit to represent clothing used during the F&I War that you best put your copy of Hawkeye back on the shelf and get a copy of "Recreating the American Longhunter: 1740-1790" by Joseph Ruckman. As for Hawkeye's clothing, its the sum of its parts that is so out of place. You can do so much better.

Beth Gilgun's book, "Tidings of the Eighteenth Century" has patterns and appropriate clothing for a European colonist of the 18th Century.

Read the posts in the historical clothing messages.

 

[tenngun]

Just reading this I was thinking in general Hollywood ain't the place to go for research. But...
I was watching the 1960 Kidnapped by Disney, although I read the book every few years I haven't seen the movie since I was a kid. The clothing and much of the little props such as wine bottles and bowls was very good. The back ground Highlander's looked to be dressed in great kilts, and not in small kilts with a plaid on the shoulder.

Was it perfect? No, far from it, but it was better then many movies of the time, and many later.

 

[Artificer]

I recall I paused and said, "Wow", and then, as if on cue, somebody walked through the front door, into the living room, saying, "Mom, why is there a police car out front?" It was Ms. Carter. I turned and saw who it was and then just said, "Wow".

LD

I bet that was an .....arresting moment for you!

:rotf:

Gus

 

[sooter76]

Sorry, but pre-Victorian women's clothing is really ugly on them with few exceptions. From the stupid caps (which you CANNOT "set for a man") to the ugly stockings (well, except for yellow of course.)

I always thought Madeleine Stowe was beautiful in 'Last of the Mohicans'... She never did anything for me in any other movie I ever saw her in, but that woman was born to wear 18th Century clothing.

 

[nhmoose]

Sorry, but pre-Victorian women's clothing is really ugly on them with few exceptions. From the stupid caps (which you CANNOT "set for a man") to the ugly stockings (well, except for yellow of course.)

I always thought Madeleine Stowe was beautiful in 'Last of the Mohicans'... She never did anything for me in any other movie I ever saw her in, but that woman was born to wear 18th Century clothing.

:hatsoff: :metoo:

 

[tenngun]

Well I might not get invited on the view for saying this, sexist that I am, but I have kinda of noted pretty girls manage to look pretty no mater what they have on.... traditional kaminos, empire dresses, grass skirts, buck skin, Tudor ruffs and velvet Roman stoas. Empire is my favorite, but so much looked pretty cute over the ages.

 

[Robert an saa fan]

Sorry, but pre-Victorian women's clothing is really ugly on them with few exceptions. From the stupid caps (which you CANNOT "set for a man") to the ugly stockings (well, except for yellow of course.)

I always thought Madeleine Stowe was beautiful in 'Last of the Mohicans'... She never did anything for me in any other movie I ever saw her in, but that woman was born to wear 18th Century clothing.

:hatsoff: :metoo:

Forgot about the Hawkeye TV series; will have to re-watch it. Lynda Carter sure looked beautiful back in the day.

Have to mention Madeleine Stowe co-starred in the western movie " Bad Girls " from 1994. She and her female co-stars looked pretty good in their costumes, on their horses and shooting their guns. :hatsoff:

 

[Black Hand]

Well I might not get invited on the view for saying this, sexist that I am, but I have kinda of noted pretty girls manage to look pretty no mater what they have on...

Standards of beauty have changed considerably over time. Can't say I find today's standard of beauty appealing - women should have curves, not corners...

 

[tenngun]

Ahhhh, your not going to get on the view either :rotf:

 

[Black Hand]

Ahhhh, your not going to get on the view either :rotf:

I can assure you this will not cause me to lose ANY sleep whatsoever...

 

[tenngun]

:haha:

 

[nhmoose]

I have to agree to the curves the skinny ones do absolutely nothing for me.

 

[Wes/Tex]

Poor thing! :wink: Joely Richardson did well with the tucked in, laced up 18th century style for more well to do ladies for her part in The Patriot. She even learned how to hold her hands in a neutral position in that kind of constrictive garment. She also has the long, tall Sally body type to pull it off! Which is where we lose nhmoose! :haha: :blah: