HAZMAT FEE for Caps and Powder

[marwat06]

I can't seem to find any #11 caps at my local stores; Wal-Mart (do they even sell shooting stuff anymore?) Gander Mountain and DicksSporting Goods. So I thought I would order some caps with my BP order ... guess what it's two different Hazmat Fees! $20 for the BP and $20 for the Caps! I'm hoping that as ML season gets closer maybe one of the stores will stock some CAPS. I lost all hope with Wal-Mart.

 

[Dave K]

I see you are from Indiana, I don't know how close you are to Friendship, but starting next weekend for one week, that is the place to go. Cheaper there and no hazmat fee. As a matter of fact, go next Fri. if you can.

 

[bob1961]

i work for wal mart and beleve this....it's too soon yet....don't know why but last year i had to wait till the middle to the end of sept to get .490's from them to hunt 3rd week of oct muzzleloading season in pa :redface: ..........bob

 

[renovato]

I've never figured out how the hazmat fee makes them safer to ship anyway. Come to think of it, I don't remember a rash of explosions and fires before the hazmat fee. Could it be that they're just ripping us off? Nah, they'd never so that to their customers!

 

[roundball]

I've never figured out how the hazmat fee makes them safer to ship anyway. Come to think of it, I don't remember a rash of explosions and fires before the hazmat fee. Could it be that they're just ripping us off? Nah, they'd never so that to their customers!

:rotf: ...right!

 

flint, the only answer

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Applying common sense, I very much doubt one could ship BP and primers in one order. Would be akin to dynamite and detonators being in the same box, or even stored in close proximity, a very bad practice.

 

[marwat06]

Applying common sense, I very much doubt one could ship BP and primers in one order. Would be akin to dynamite and detonators being in the same box, or even stored in close proximity, a very bad practice.

Hmmm I went to the website and put 1 bottle of 777 and box of #11 Caps: they were only going to charge one Hazmat Fee. Is it maybe because BP is consider and Explosive and BP Sub aren't? I ordered BP by mail before and all it comes in is a carton board box with bubble wrap. Nothing special about the packing.

 

[marwat06]

Thanks .. never thought of that. Having been meaning to go to Friendship for one of it's events.

 

[Old Ironsights]

Applying common sense, I very much doubt one could ship BP and primers in one order. Would be akin to dynamite and detonators being in the same box, or even stored in close proximity, a very bad practice.

Hmmm I went to the website and put 1 bottle of 777 and box of #11 Caps: they were only going to charge one Hazmat Fee. Is it maybe because BP is consider and Explosive and BP Sub aren't? I ordered BP by mail before and all it comes in is a carton board box with bubble wrap. Nothing special about the packing.

Correct. Caps (an explosive/igniter) must be a seperate shipment from BP (an explosive) thus 2 Hazmat charges.

Subs or Smokeless are Porpellants and can thereby be shipped along with commercially packaged caps. Only the caps are chargable for a hazmat fee in that case. Drop the caps and tou can order a tonne of 777 without the hazmat charge.,

 

[Old Ironsights]

I see you are from Indiana, I don't know how close you are to Friendship, but starting next weekend for one week, that is the place to go. Cheaper there and no hazmat fee. As a matter of fact, go next Fri. if you can.

Ye Gods! Absolutely! While you are there pick up bulk Powder. Last I checked it's significantly less than $10/lb for bulk-in-baggies at Friendship. IIRC the vendor is Deer Creek out of Waldron. Google them and pre-order. IIRC You can't technically "buy" powder at Friendship, but you can meet it there for delivery.

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Applying common sense, I very much doubt one could ship BP and primers in one order. Would be akin to dynamite and detonators being in the same box, or even stored in close proximity, a very bad practice.

Hmmm I went to the website and put 1 bottle of 777 and box of #11 Caps: they were only going to charge one Hazmat Fee. Is it maybe because BP is consider and Explosive and BP Sub aren't? I ordered BP by mail before and all it comes in is a carton board box with bubble wrap. Nothing special about the packing.

777 is a flamable material, not a class A explosive.

Did you ask to have a few hundred percussion caps included in the bubble wrap with the BP?

 

[wszumera]

I've never figured out how the hazmat fee makes them safer to ship anyway. Come to think of it, I don't remember a rash of explosions and fires before the hazmat fee. Could it be that they're just ripping us off? Nah, they'd never so that to their customers!

Govermental regulations come with costs. Most you never see because they are buried in the product or service you buy. In this case it is right out in front for you to see.

It would be interesting to learn the fee structure as in what the shipper (seller) and the transport service charge.

Personally, I think it is just a way for government to collect data on our activities with us paying for the survellance program.

Clutch

 

[bighole]

I think the hazmat fee structure is a scam. Just something to think about.

When you order BP, you can't put any smokless powder with it. What's more flamable/dangerous, BP or smokeless? Of course BP. So if you order 3 cans of Goex BP, why can't you include 3 cans of smokeless which is less flammable? I can add 3 more cans of Swiss BP which is more flammable than the smokeless.

Another thought. What's more flammable/dangerous, a can of BP or a few tins of caps? Of course the can of BP. After all I can order caps with smokeless powder so it must be less dangerous. So if I buy 3 cans of Goex BP, I can't include any caps or primers or smokeless powser but I can add 3 more cans of Swiss BP which is more flammable/dangerous.

I could see if the hazmat fee was less for less flammable/dangerous items ie. caps, primers and smokeless powder and you wanted to add some BP, they would need to cover the entire order with the more expensive fee but the logic of needing a separate fee for something less dangerous is a ripoff.

 

[shmrck1]

mwindy,
Must be a matter of what suplier you
order from. I have never paid more that the one
$20 hazmat fee no matter what I ordered :hmm:
snake-eyes :hatsoff:

 

[paulvallandigham]

The hasmat fee is a government TAX, which is passed on to the consumer by the shipper who or dealer who has to pay it to Uncle Sam. It is a scam, as are most taxes, because they are crafted to impose a cost on a special group, which is generally not organized to oppose such legislation. Considering how many members here are not members of the NMLRA, it is small wonder that Congress targeted us for a new " Tax ". And, someone was right. When was the last time you heard of any explosion involveding percussion caps, or even Black Powder for that matter? Just wnat is all this money doing for our country? Paying those airport security guards who are asleep, or searching little old ladies in wheel chairs for guns and knives? There is no special storage requirement for percussion caps, and there should be no special shipping requirements for them either. I don't know why anyone would be charged a hasmat fee for them. They are not " explosive " as defined by the regs. In fact, they use modern chemicals not dissimilar from those used in modern primers. Now, some of the caps coming from Europe may be a problem, as I have no way of knowing what they are using in their caps, but the CCI caps I use are thoroughly modern.

 

[CoyoteJoe]

You are so right Paul. As has been mentioned, the HazMat fee is not used to in any way make the material less hazardous. It is a scam tax for sure. It also applies to fuse cord, I don't know how many yards of fuse one would have to buy to offset the hazmat fee.

 

[Dave K]

I was at Friendship yesterday and the best price I saw on RWS caps was $31 for a 1000. Of course no hazmat fee but plenty of other goodies to bring home.

 

[marwat06]

I was at Friendship yesterday and the best price I saw on RWS caps was $31 for a 1000. Of course no hazmat fee but plenty of other goodies to bring home.

Didn't make it out there this time around .. will be there next year. Price beat anything I seen on the Internet.