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I forgot the name but I will call it heavy shot.
A lot of modern turkey loads are loaded with it. Anyway can we use it in a fusil or is it to hard on the barrel?
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There is a brand called Heavy Shot and there is a new type of shot named TSS. Neither should be used in a muzzleloader as far as I know.
Yep, its more than 1.5 times as dense as Bismuth, which is denser than lead! Tungsten super shot is 18.1 g/cc (grams per cubic centimeter). The heavy weight of TSS is designed to use smaller pellet sizes than lead, bismuth etc. It has great penetration & energy retention at longer distances. I've toyed with the idea of getting the shot because, in practical terms, you could load #7, #8, or #9 to hunt turkey or predators. However, TSS is super expensive. You'll have to check current prices to get an accurate quote. Also it would require a good buffering compound to be loaded with the pellets. Loaded rounds for unmentionables cost up to $10 per load. I would want to test a muzzleloader barrel's metallurgy and get it proofed for loading such dense hard stuff in my older guns. So far, the cost, hassle of buffering, and other possible risks are keeping me away.
 
Original brand name is "Hevi-Shot". Been using it since the first box showed up where I could buy it. Those of us who are old enough to have hunted waterfowl with lead appreciate what it has brought back to hunting. - fewer crippled birds. Heavier than lead and much harder, penetration is far better than steel at greater distances. Different "lead" also. Good stuff.

Like steel which also does not compress, one danger is the possibility for the shot charge to "bridge" (form a wad similar to a blood vessel clot). Steel & Hevi-Shot need semi-soft filler (tiny plastic beads, for example) to lessen the chance of a bridge. Hence the admonishment to use at least one choke more open than normal. Also - original Hevi-Shot is not round, some are decidedly weirdly shaped.

Bore protection's also a concern with harder-than-lead shot, which is why shotgun shells so loaded contain various methods of containing the shot charge throughout its travel through the bore. "Can" you shoot non-lead shot in a smoothbore muzzle loader? Yes, but to use such properly (safely) requires more than just switching types of shot. I've always used only lead shot in my originals. Non-toxic in modern smoothbores.
 
Bismuth is not denser than lead.
You are correct! Bismuth is soft enough to use in BP guns, and legal for waterfowl in most jurisdictions, but it is not very dense. I have been using #4 bismuth for ducks and pheasants. Between the low (relatively) velocity of BP shotguns and low density of bismuth, you really need to stick to about 25 (maybe 30 yards) - and even at that, penetration is fair at best. Bismuth is a bit denser than steel, but with BP velocities it reminds me of early steel shotgun shell performance.
 
Well, I am embarrassed now and must apologize. I had read an Outdoor Life article several months ago about TSS shot, and somehow came out mis-remembering on comparative weights of Lead and Bismuth. Here's the actual comparative weight:
ElementLeadBismuth
Density11.34 g/cm39.78 g/cm3
I should have looked it up - hindsight is always 100%.
 
Well, I am embarrassed now and must apologize. I had read an Outdoor Life article several months ago about TSS shot, and somehow came out mis-remembering on comparative weights of Lead and Bismuth. Here's the actual comparative weight:
ElementLeadBismuth
Density11.34 g/cm39.78 g/cm3
I should have looked it up - hindsight is always 100%.
Well I guess we can both be embarassed! When I bought it I thought for sure it was denser than lead. I probably still would except I was trying to figure out why penetration was so poor on birds!
 
I'm having a Colerain turkey barrel fowler built right now. I am 100% going to use TSS #9 and #10s in it. I plan on buffering the shot, but otherwise I'm not worried about it. Yes the shot is hard and dense, but it doesn't deform so it flows through the bore beautifully. I'm not worried about it at all.
 
TSS in my unmentionable does great. I see no issue using it in a muzzleloading smoothbore as long as you use a wad meant for TSS.

Ballistic Products sells wads for TSS as well as TSS. They also sell a TSS that is coated in tin.

Ballistic Products webpage
 

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