Help identify my .44 Revolver

[PathfinderNC]

I have had this repro revolver since about 1986, and used it a lot back in those days. It remained in a box on a shelf for many, many years. I recentkly took it out and fired it (It was loaded but un-capped; it had one chamber-fire). It's a powerful cap and ball.
I was thinking about getting an extra cylinder for it, but I honestly don't know the make. (I bought it used).
Can anyone help ID it?
Thanks.
p.s.: I just saw I posted this in the wrong section. Can it be moved to correct topic area? Thanks!

 

[Ponderosaman]

This is an absolute guess, but based on the prettiest cap and ball thread, I’m going to say a Remington 1860 Navy. This is probably not a thing, but wanted to make a guess without googling.

Now going to google.

ok after googling, say Remington 1858 New Army replica. Now the real cap and ball guys can school me again.

 

[PathfinderNC]

This is an absolute guess, but based on the prettiest cap and ball thread, I’m going to say a Remington 1860 Navy. This is probably not a thing, but wanted to make a guess without googling.

Now going to google.

ok after googling, say Remington 1858 New Army replica. Now the real cap and ball guys can school me again.

Ah, I didn't check that thread!

 

[TNGhost]

It is an Italian Remington 1858 replica (reference the "PN" Italian black powder proof mark) and it was built in 1972 going by the XX8 Italian date code. Some where there will be a manufacturer's mark like an ASM or a palm tree or some such that will clue you in to the maker.

Lots of info on line, including the Italian Date Code chart, a list of manufacturers marks, and descriptions of Italian (and other country's) proof marks.

 

[Ponderosaman]

It is an Italian Remington 1858 replica (reference the "PN" Italian black powder proof mark) and it was built in 1972 going by the XX8 Italian date code. Some where there will be a manufacturer's mark like an ASM or a palm tree or some such that will clue you in to the maker.

Lots of info on line, including the Italian Date Code chart, a list of manufacturers marks, and descriptions of Italian (and other country's) proof marks.

Man, why’s it gotta be you that schools me?

 

[user 48679]

Because he loves you...……

 

[PathfinderNC]

It is an Italian Remington 1858 replica (reference the "PN" Italian black powder proof mark) and it was built in 1972 going by the XX8 Italian date code. Some where there will be a manufacturer's mark like an ASM or a palm tree or some such that will clue you in to the maker.

Lots of info on line, including the Italian Date Code chart, a list of manufacturers marks, and descriptions of Italian (and other country's) proof marks.

Thats a lot of good info- thank you!
I guess I cant get an extra cylinder unless I find the manufacturer?

 

[Ponderosaman]

Thats a lot of good info- thank you!
I guess I cant get an extra cylinder unless I find the manufacturer?

You know, my Pedersoli shotgun has a PN mark on it @TNGhost , do you think this pistol is a Pedersoli?

 

[bang]

Possibly an FIE ASM. Have read some having a PR stamp for Pierino Bruschetta but don't know what significance that has other than perhaps Italian origins.
If by chance a newer 1858 will clock correctly it might be too long. Not by much. I have one that I honed the frame to take the newer Pietta cylinder but by doing so it will not take the original without a big gap.

 

[bang]

You kno

You know, my Pedersoli shotgun has a PN mark on it @TNGhost , do you think this pistol is a Pedersoli? View attachment 74883

That's a proof house stamp.
Check on inside of lock. Sometimes Pedrosoli put their name there.

 

[TNGhost]

You know, my Pedersoli shotgun has a PN mark on it @TNGhost , do you think this pistol is a Pedersoli?

That's a proof house stamp.

:"P" is for polvere the Italian word for powder and "N" is for nero the Italian for black so it is the mark to show the gun has been proofed for black powder

The series of proofs in the OP's photo are like the ones in the picture here and standard for Italian repros. The manufacturer's mark should be elsewhere on the frame

FinalFront.qxd (powderhombre.com)

 

[Robert an saa fan]

Have you looked for markings on the bottom barrel flat? Markings can be light and hard to see.

Before CNC machining I had three stainless Pietta Remington .44's all within 10,000 to 15,000 serial numbers of each other. Only two of the three would do cylinder swaps.

A call to VTI Gun Parts may help you out.

 

[CaptainKirk]

It's an 1858 Remington reproduction of Italian manufacture (1863, actually...the Beals was patented in 1858 and Eli Remington purchased the rights and modified it to what we know as the "1858 Remington" and it was introduced into military service in 1863). The PN stands for Polvere Nera (black powder in Italian) and the star symbol is the Gardone proof mark. Here is a listing of some of the common date codes and stampings:

http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf
Due to the age, It's very unlikely you will find a drop in fit cylinder. That didn't start to become a reality until Pietta shifted over to CAM/CAD machining in 2004.

 

[TNGhost]

Thats a lot of good info- thank you!
I guess I cant get an extra cylinder unless I find the manufacturer?

Yes, some are interchangable but not many and the older the pistol the less likely you are going to find a new cylinder for it/ More likely for Uberti or Pietta but even they changed some when they modernized to CNC.

Also if you find a brand name like CVA, Navy Arms or Lyman, be advised that they were the importers and not the manufacturer, but by comparing the date to records you can see who was making pistols for which importer at any given time, and while there are really only two repro manufacturers for most revolvers now, Uberti and Pietta, there used to be many more. ASM, Palmetto, etc.

There are some sources out there for used and old stock parts, like Lodgewood and VTI, and if the manufacturer was bought out by Pietta or Uberti and didn't just go under than the likelihood f finding a replacement part increases.

 

[PathfinderNC]

:"P" is for polvere the Italian word for powder and "N" is for nero the Italian for black so it is the mark to show the gun has been proofed for black powder

The series of proofs in the OP's photo are like the ones in the picture here and standard for Italian repros. The manufacturer's mark should be elsewhere on the frame

FinalFront.qxd (powderhombre.com)

I will check for more marks and post them. Quite an interesting discussion though.

 

[dave61965]

I have one similar to yours, mine has a manufacture date of XX9 or 1973, it’s marked Euroarms on the top flat and DGG under the loading lever, in the photo below the Euroarms is on top and a modern Pietta is below, the cylinder from the Euroarms will fit and function fine in the Pietta, the Pietta percussion cylinder, which I didn’t use any more after installing the conversion cylinder, was just a few thousandths too long, just a hair, I took a couple thousandths off and now it fits and functions fine and I have an extra cylinder, possibly a Uberti cylinder may be shorter than a Pietta but I don’t have one to measure, just sharing my experience, hard to say if your experience would be similar.

 

[Boatncamp]

Definitely look on the bottom of the barrel under the loading lever.
I have had a Pietta that was made in 1974 since about 1980 and never knew who made it until just recently.
Mine has a very slight stamping close to the frame of *** that is stylized / semi script that I never noticed until I really went looking for it.

Woody

 

[Eras Gone]

Made by Rino Galesi Armi also known as Rigarmi. Notice the RG marking on the loading lever. They went out of business in the 1980s if I remember right. I have one. it is the most undersized of all the Remington New Model Army replicas compared to an original.

Any markings on the top flat of the barrel?

 

[TFoley]

The small coat of arms of the city of Gardone Val Trompia, location of the Italian national proof house, is surmounted by the five-pointed star - emblem of the Republic of Italy. It was formerly a crown, but Italy is no longer a monarchy... PN and XX8 we already know about.

 

[PathfinderNC]

Made by Rino Galesi Armi also known as Rigarmi. Notice the RG marking on the loading lever. They went out of business in the 1980s if I remember right. I have one. it is the most undersized of all the Remington New Model Army replicas compared to an original.

Any markings on the top flat of the barrel?

Made by Rino Galesi Armi also known as Rigarmi. Notice the RG marking on the loading lever. They went out of business in the 1980s if I remember right. I have one. it is the most undersized of all the Remington New Model Army replicas compared to an original.

Any markings on the top flat of the barrel?

Great info! The only markings on the barrel top is the first owner (I guess).