help identifying precussion shotgun

[lumpy]

my father in law has a percussion side by side shotgun, the thing is a lug of a gun but is is in nice shape. I pulled the barrels and underneath there are some makers marks . there are serial #'s on the one barrel, and a serial # on the solder joint near the muzzle end, there is a JD on one barrel. on he other barrel ther is a 20 and an E over an LG in a circle, also what appears to be a crown over a Y.
Any help would be apperciated and I have pictures but do not know how to post them.
Mike

 

[Smokey in Oz]

lumpy,
I'm not sure about the JD (possibly a manufacturers stamp) but the 20 over E and crown over Y sound like Enfield inspection marks done in England.
The LG might indicate barrels manufactured in Leige, Belgium.
Hope this gets you started.
Smokey.

 

[lumpy]

the E over the LG is a belgium maker mark , so this is a help.

I still don't know what the Y with the crown over it means

 

[Robert an saa fan]

This seems like a typical utility grade Belgium gun.

Generally the highest quality shotguns will have the makers name visible on barrel(s) without disassembly.

Be careful about shooting one of these without an o.k. from a qualified gunsmith.

 

[Bountyhunter]

Pictures would help.

 

[lumpy]

I have pictures but can't figure out how to post them

 

[lumpy]

on a side note , It has a really browned barrel from use and dirt , How can I determine if this is a Damascus Barreled gun if I cant see the swirls, Underneath where the stock is it appears not to be a damascus barrel .

 

[rebel727]

on a side note , It has a really browned barrel from use and dirt , How can I determine if this is a Damascus Barreled gun if I cant see the swirls, Underneath where the stock is it appears not to be a damascus barrel .

If it's as old as it sounds it is damascus. Boil some water and dip the barrels in it. Look at it quick before it dries and you can see the patterns. There's instructions on here somewhere on how to post pics. It may have/had a makers name on the rib between the barrels. Mine does but it's faint.

 

[lumpy]

o.k. now we are getting somewhere, I started to clean up the barrel and on the top between the barrels on the rib is are the word real twist.

does this help ??

 

[rebel727]

I'd say if it has the words "real twist" it's a late model gun made with damascus after proof steel was in use. Folks back then as now were reluctant to embrace anything new (like proof steel). They didn't trust it, so some makers used the words twist finish to try to fool people into thinking it was real damascus. That's my thoughts on it but I'm no expert.

Expert: Ex is a has been, Spurt is a drip under pressure. :rotf:

 

[robinghewitt]

The American's never took to making damascus but they wouldn't trust a shotgun that wasn't. (Bob Spencer has an early Colt shotgun with damascene etched on the surface, faux damascene).

The Belgians made a lot of cheap damasccus shotguns for export to America usually with a famous makers surname (but no intial) and a "twist" remark on the barrels to emphasise the point.

London fine twist, London twist, Twisted stubs etc.

Unlike American guns it has withstood proof so unless it shows sign of reworking it's probably okay to shoot. The only reat worry is if it has rotted out under the rib. If they let go, it is usually some way up the barrel so keep your hand under it rather than around it for a while :thumbsup:

best regards

Squire Robin

 

[lumpy]

I have cleaned the damn thing up and it looks great, I have removed the nipples, rather easily . I thought they would be frozen in and need to be drilled and retapped but a little soaking in wd-40 and the came out.

I want to have it checked out to see if it is o.k. for shooting and shoot the lug.