Help identifying this Traditions rifle

[Jasonb1911]

Saw this on GunBroker. Ad says it's a 45 caliber Traditions rifle with a 33 inch barrel. Never seen anything like this from Traditions. Anyone know what it is?

 

[64Springer]

Interesting Traditions.

Looks a lot like a Pedersoli Mortimer.

Slight variations though.

 

[andy52]

It kinda looks like a Mortimer or Gibbs but I didn't know Traditions made one.

 

[hanshi]

I've owned Traditions rifles in the past but this one is an mystery to me.

 

[andy52]

The more I look at that rifle the more I think someone has mislabeled it on GB. I'm leaning to that being a Pedersoli not a Tradition.

 

[Keyhole]

nice one

 

[deerstalkert]

not a Mortimer, has no safety. looks kinda like a Lyman GPR. nice looking.

 

[Indy Durtdigger]

If you guys scroll through the pics there is a shot of the barrel.

 

[deerstalkert]

that may make me change my mind about Traditions. any other pictures showing actual manufacturer? looks like an Ardessa I had but with one wedge.

 

[Indy Durtdigger]

Okay. What are the odds that's been re barreled with a Traditions barrel? Doesn't mean anything but I can't find that Traditions ever made a copy of one of these and you'd think some of you guys would know of such a thing. A search of the name on the lock plate yields many results like this.
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/don-brown-alexander-henry-replica.120810/
Not saying it's an original and it's clearly not on any level of the rifle in that thread but the barrel could be a replacement. The lock plate looks to be roll stamped so not high end replica either.


Also, that barrel appears to be a black hole.

 

[Kmcmichael]

I thought the Mortimer was a flintlock.

 

[ORBushman]

 

[Jasonb1911]

If you guys scroll through the pics there is a shot of the barrel.
View attachment 260781

I missed this one. Now even more intrigued.......

 

[Jasonb1911]

It's a Traditions Creedmoor Rigby. Navy Arms also imported them at one point from what I saw. I found a thread here from a few years ago talking about it. Apparently it's a decent rifle.

Thread 'Traditions Rigby Rifle' Traditions Rigby Rifle

 

[Indy Durtdigger]

It's a Traditions Creedmoor Rigby. Navy Arms also imported them at one point from what I saw. I found a thread here from a few years ago talking about it. Apparently it's a decent rifle.

Thread 'Traditions Rigby Rifle' Traditions Rigby Rifle

Were you able to find any other pics? Even with a name I can't but with black powder stuff that doesn't mean squat. That's definitely what it is. Here's another thread from here I stumbled across. If it wasn't for that bore, I'd bid on the thing. Heck of it is that may just be dried dusty oil in there.
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/long-range-muzzle-loading-again.11155/

 

[Jasonb1911]

Were you able to find any other pics? Even with a name I can't but with black powder stuff that doesn't mean squat. That's definitely what it is. Here's another thread from here I stumbled across. If it wasn't for that bore, I'd bid on the thing. Heck of it is that may just be dried dusty oil in there.
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/long-range-muzzle-loading-again.11155/

No, I can't find anything other than the post with the pictures from the graybeard forum. I found pictures from a Navy Arms rifle... looks identical. Apparently these are very rare and the owners don't sell them.

I'm seriously thinking about taking my chances on buying it.

Hope you don't outbid me!!!

 

[Indy Durtdigger]

No, I can't find anything other than the post with the pictures from the graybeard forum. I found pictures from a Navy Arms rifle... looks identical. Apparently these are very rare and the owners don't sell them.

I'm seriously thinking about taking my chances on buying it.

Hope you don't outbid me!!!

I'm not going to. Developed a taste for the flintlocks. My next project will be a .32 or.36 cal small game rifle. Good luck and I super hope if you get it a patch or two and that bore shines like no tomorrow.

 

[BP Addict]

It's a Traditions Creedmoor Rigby. Navy Arms also imported them at one point from what I saw. I found a thread here from a few years ago talking about it. Apparently it's a decent rifle.

Thread 'Traditions Rigby Rifle' Traditions Rigby Rifle

Nice Rifle!!! I thought it looked English!

Walt

 

[Frontier's]

pretty rare rifle to find under the traditons name. Ardesa really makes it, and they really put out some better stuff than what traditions orders usually.

 

[Hermanoshawken]

Yes sir, you have got it right. It's a muzzleloading Creedmore Henry rifle. Actually in the 80s they were manufactured by a couple of artisans from Eibar (the gunsmithing city of Spain), whose workshop signed the weapons with the name of A.M.R. (initials of gunsmith Antonio Marcos Relea). He made cheap copies of Kentucky rifles and pistols and copies of Hawken rifles. For the Henry and Creedmore Models they copied two English muzzleloading rifles for shooting with a 500 grains conical bullet. The caliber is .451. The lock is a good copy of Alexander Henry's Scottish lock. It is a rifle for the Whitworth shooting, where you shoot at small guns targets at 100 meters (targets for pistol or revolver). They are rifles that have sights with a diopter and a tunnel with a ring. In Europe, Ardesa marketed these rifles (although it did not manufacture them). And in the USA Traditions imports them. They are just as good as Pedersoli's Gibbs, but much cheaper. In 1987 they cost about 40,000 pesetas in Spain, that is, less than 300 euros or dollars. The groove pitch is one turn in 20". Greetings from Spain.