Help with identifying my black powder rifle!!

[Krifle]

Grandfather found this in a old rundown school in Belgium. So i believe it has Belgium origin. can't find a serial number or any manufacture names or logos. Dying to know. i do have more photos if that can help. Muzzle only lets you post 10 pics at once.

 

[Phil Coffins]

Serial numbers weren’t used back then. Generally a name might be found on the top flat of the barrel near the rear sight. This one doesn’t appear to have that. It’s a dandy rifle and some one more familiar with European guns may come on to help.

 

[Krifle]

Serial numbers weren’t used back then. Generally a name might be found on the top flat of the barrel near the rear sight. This one doesn’t appear to have that. It’s a dandy rifle and some one more familiar with European guns may come on to help.

thank you for the ideas and hint, really do hope someone can come here and find more info

 

[TFoley]

It looks to me like a driven game/boar rifle or Jaegerstutzen. A large calibre short and handy hunting rifle or maybe fusil de chasse used by hunters/jaegers in Germany, Belgium, Austria and maybe France, Italy and Spain.

It ought to have proof details, since ALL those countries routinely proofed their guns. You might have to take a peek under the woodwork - this involves removing the barrel - do NOT do this unless you are familiar with the method. I suggest that you take it along to a black powder meet or rendezvous - if and when you can, that is, and ask one of the experts there to help you out. It would be nice to see the muzzle, along with a rule to measure for comparison - they are usually around 12 - 15mm bore, .50cal to 54cal if you use imperial measurements.

Where are you located?

 

[Krifle]

It looks to me like a driven game/boar rifle or Jaegerstutzen. A large calibre short and handy hunting rifle or maybe fusil de chasse used by hunters/jaegers in Germany, Belgium, Austria and maybe France, Italy and Spain.

It ought to have proof details, since ALL those countries routinely proofed their guns. You might have to take a peek under the woodwork - this involves removing the barrel - do NOT do this unless you are familiar with the method. I suggest that you take it along to a black powder meet or rendezvous - if and when you can, that is, and ask one of the experts there to help you out. It would be nice to see the muzzle, along with a rule to measure for comparison - they are usually around 12 - 15mm bore, .50cal to 54cal if you use imperial measurements.

Where are you located?

alabama

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Looks to be a very well made Jaeger style rifle.
There is a single, set trigger. Meaning you would push the trigger forward, and it would click, and then give you a very light trigger pull. The screw to adjust how slight a trigger pull is behind the trigger.

There is no forward sling swivel, BUT there is a repair, and I think that might be where an additional ramrod thimble once was, as well as the sling swivel. I think it was a combination swivel and thimble that broke loose.

I don't think it was a driven game rifle, as there is a flip up style, range adjustable sight. It doesn't mean that it wasn't once used for that, but the flip up sight would be a problem for a shooter who would have to judge the ever changing distance on a moving target, the game animal, then decide which sight leaf to use, then acquire the sight picture, and fire.

It is a rather nifty piece, so take very good care of it.

LD

 

[Krifle]

would you have any ideas of what the name of this gun could be? like make/model/ maybe even year? a guess of some kind?

 

[LawrenceA]

Far from an expert. Looking at the lock It is original percussion with patent chamber but front action rather than back.
I am guessing 1830's to 1860's.
Looks to have been a very handsome peice and meant for business

 

[Feltwad]

For what I can tell by the images I would say German or Swiss hunting rifle .
Feltwad

 

[toot]

it is a very odd, but nice BP. gun.

 

[Robin Henderson]

Jim Parker of Calvary Longrifles could probably tell you what you have. He's in Warrior, Alabama. It definitely looks European to me. I'd say it would have proof marks and maybe more somewhere on the underside of the barrel.

 

[GREENSWLDE]

I go with FELTWAD here. Was once quite an expensive and pretty rifle. Smells of Boar to me although with leaf sights throw in woodland deer as well. Had noted the Single set trigger. More popular than double this side on sporting rifles.. OLD DOG..

 

[Musketeer]

Another option would be to contact the guy from the capandball youtube channel. He may well know or know someone who knows: https://www.youtube.com/c/capandball/about

 

[TFoley]

would you have any ideas of what the name of this gun could be? like make/model/ maybe even year? a guess of some kind?

Guns like this are of a type and style - that style is that of a short hunting rifle as I described - a Germanic style called a jaegerstutzen - a short hunting rifle.

Without the maker's name you are flying on empty. Guns like this were never a mass-produced item - you are looking here at a high-class, custom-made firearm for a comparatively rich owner. This was the $10,000-$15000 custom rifle of its day and not for your average Joe.

The year? Any time between the late 1830 - from the archaic style of the lock - back-action locks date from the late 1840s on - to around 1840 or so.

And as I suggested earlier, taking the barrel out of the stock might reveal more details by way of proof marks....................

 

[RoaringBull]

There might also be a name or makers mark on the inside of the butt plate. Would it be possible to get pictures of the muzzle and the side plate?

 

[GREENSWLDE]

If you can get the barrel very carefully removed you will no dout find proof marks but may also find a barrel makers initials or mark. OLD DOG..

 

[appalichian hunter]

Nice rifle would you know the bore size. I am no expert but did not these type weapons run in the larger bore size.

 

[TFoley]

If you can get the barrel very carefully removed you will no dout find proof marks but may also find a barrel makers initials or mark. OLD DOG..

We've been saying the same thing for a few days now with no results yet............................