Help! Worse availability of ML in Germany!

[PreglerD]

Hello from Germany!

Here in Germany the availability of ML in cal. bigger than .45 is getting more and more worse. And even the .45 is only possible to get from Ardesa/Traditions. Investarm is shipping their whole production to the USA (Lyman) and doesn't manufacture so many .45, but more .50 and .54 especially the famous GPR.

If I wouldn't have a german colege in the USA who is shipping back what I need it would be very serious.

Regards

Kirrmeister

 

[GreyWhiskers]

Kirr,

Is there some regulation that makes it hard to get the larger caliber ML firearms there? Or is it mostly a marketing thing? :hmm: GW

 

[PreglerD]

Hi Lon,

only marketing problem! Single shot ML are completely free to get here, doesn't matter what cal.

Regards

Kirrmeister

 

[Flint311]

Is it possible to special order a larger caliber through some of those companies?

good luck!

 

[Stumpkiller]

That's a shame.

We had a scare in some areas of the U.S. (like New York State) when certain bills were proposed to ban .50 caliber weapons with the intent of removing the .50 Browning anti-personnal/light vehicle long range sniper rifles from honest folks and limiting their use to criminals. They did not specifically exclude muzzleloaders. Hopefully we got that all straightened out now.

 

[PreglerD]

Is it possible to special order a larger caliber through some of those companies?

good luck!

Not really! When I want a .54 GPR for example the company had to order a minimum number of 20 rifles at Investarm, that they deliver them. But no company will do that, because the rest of 19 can't be sold or is a too high risk.

Regards

Kirrmeister

 

[Coot]

Is it possible to special order a larger caliber through some of those companies?

good luck!

Not really! When I want a .54 GPR for example the company had to order a minimum number of 20 rifles at Investarm, that they deliver them. But no company will do that, because the rest of 19 can't be sold or is a too high risk.

Regards

Kirrmeister

Perhaps Flint 311 was asking if you could order from a USA dealer & have it shipped to Germany? When Star was still in production in Spain, I ordered a number of items (that the US dealers did not stock) directly from the factory.

 

[PreglerD]

Is it possible to special order a larger caliber through some of those companies?

good luck!

Not really! When I want a .54 GPR for example the company had to order a minimum number of 20 rifles at Investarm, that they deliver them. But no company will do that, because the rest of 19 can't be sold or is a too high risk.

Regards

Kirrmeister

Perhaps Flint 311 was asking if you could order from a USA dealer & have it shipped to Germany? When Star was still in production in Spain, I ordered a number of items (that the US dealers did not stock) directly from the factory.

Oh I understand!

Yes that is possible, but a bit expensive because of shipping costs. Shipping a Deerhunter from the USA to Germany is $ 50. And then we have to pay customs fee and tax here for it (19% tax from the value and 3 % customsfee).

Regards

Kirrmeister

 

[Sunkmanitu Tanka]

Is it possible to special order a larger caliber through some of those companies?

good luck!

Not really! When I want a .54 GPR for example the company had to order a minimum number of 20 rifles at Investarm, that they deliver them. But no company will do that, because the rest of 19 can't be sold or is a too high risk.

Regards

Kirrmeister

Perhaps Flint 311 was asking if you could order from a USA dealer & have it shipped to Germany? When Star was still in production in Spain, I ordered a number of items (that the US dealers did not stock) directly from the factory.

Oh I understand!

Yes that is possible, but a bit expensive because of shipping costs. Shipping a Deerhunter from the USA to Germany is $ 50. And then we have to pay customs fee and tax here for it (19% tax from the value and 3 % customsfee).

Regards

Kirrmeister

I am saving up for a TVM gun ... I have to deal with import taxes, custom rights, a dealer who has to get 10 % while a regular citizen is not allowed to import guns, etc. etc. etc... If I want to import a gun in Belgium, I have to cough up 50 % of the value to get it here ... A TVM with some frills on it would bo around 1500 USD, so I will have to add about 750 USD to that ... OK now I am depressed .... :shocked2:

 

[PreglerD]

Oh! Compared to that we are really in heaven here in Germany. Generally the import of a ML from the USA costs me the USD price in €. For example a Trad. Deerhunter is about USD 200/€ 140 plus shipping and taxes makes € 200.

Regards

Kirrmeister

 

[rabjr]

I thought Roy built you a tvm Pooorboy in .54, or am I mistaken?

 

[PreglerD]

I thought Roy built you a tvm Pooorboy in .54, or am I mistaken?

You are right, Sir! But as a NMLRA field rep I'm not only talking for me! I have to take care that all other interested guys are able to get ML, too. Even in bigger cals than .45. And not everyone can afford a semi custom, etc.

Regards

Kirrmeister

 

[jethro224]

What are the rules on trading with your US buddies? Since we can't get Lyman/Investarms rifle barrels in .45 and you can't get them in .50/.54, would it be legal and cost-effective to swap? I would bet there are a bunch of guys over here who wouldn't mind having a .45 GPR barrel. :hmm:

 

[PreglerD]

What are the rules on trading with your US buddies? Since we can't get Lyman/Investarms rifle barrels in .45 and you can't get them in .50/.54, would it be legal and cost-effective to swap? I would bet there are a bunch of guys over here who wouldn't mind having a .45 GPR barrel. :hmm:

Hi jethro,

nice idea!

From the german side of law no problems with trading .45 GPR barrels to the USA because in Germany all traditional (origin and replika) single shot ML can be shipped to the USA. But how is it the other way and who ants to do it. If I could get a .54 GPR I would ship a .45 to the USA instead.

Regards

Kirrmeister

 

[Vaino]

Evidently there aren't that many people in Germany who are interested in MLing, etc., otherwise some company would satisfy their needs. The marketplace is motivated by "making money" and if the demand isn't there, a company won't stock or deal in "money losers". You've got my sympathy but those are usually the facts in your situation...Fred

 

[Blizzard of '93]

if you have the make of rifle that interchanges barrells could you have someone send you a .50 or whichever cal you wish barrell only and dodge some (or all) of the fees and tax?
likewise a stock & lock could be sent seperate from a barrell and it would be just parts classified?
I'm just wondering about getting around the tariff on complete firearms. :hmm:

 

[410-er]

How about just a barrel swap.They send over a 45 GPR barrel and a guy over here sends back a 50 or 54 GPR barrel?

 

[jethro224]

What are the rules on trading with your US buddies? Since we can't get Lyman/Investarms rifle barrels in .45 and you can't get them in .50/.54, would it be legal and cost-effective to swap? I would bet there are a bunch of guys over here who wouldn't mind having a .45 GPR barrel. :hmm:

Hi jethro,

nice idea!

From the german side of law no problems with trading .45 GPR barrels to the USA because in Germany all traditional (origin and replika) single shot ML can be shipped to the USA. But how is it the other way and who ants to do it. If I could get a .54 GPR I would ship a .45 to the USA instead.

Regards

Kirrmeister

U.S. Federal law doesn't consider BP guns as "firearms" so there shouldn't be a legal problem on this end either. Now all you need to do is find someone who wants a .45 GPR barrel. Might try placing a classified ad here on the forum.

Good luck. :hatsoff:

 

[fyrfyter43]

What are the rules on trading with your US buddies? Since we can't get Lyman/Investarms rifle barrels in .45 and you can't get them in .50/.54, would it be legal and cost-effective to swap? I would bet there are a bunch of guys over here who wouldn't mind having a .45 GPR barrel. :hmm:

Seems to me like that would be an awfully heavy barrel.

Does the Investarms .45 have a 15/16" barrel? Or is it smaller?

 

[PreglerD]

What are the rules on trading with your US buddies? Since we can't get Lyman/Investarms rifle barrels in .45 and you can't get them in .50/.54, would it be legal and cost-effective to swap? I would bet there are a bunch of guys over here who wouldn't mind having a .45 GPR barrel. :hmm:

Seems to me like that would be an awfully heavy barrel.

Does the Investarms .45 have a 15/16" barrel? Or is it smaller?

It has the same measure as the .50 and .54 barrels. You are right it is pretty heavy, but good for target shooting against recoil.

Regards

Kirrmeister