Thanks 50Cal, I know I will learn alot here. I am not new to Muzzleloading. I have attended one day events , but that was quite awhile ago. I now want to attend a Rendezvous and camp primitive. I have a friend that attends the eastern Primitive in PA. I have gone to the eastern for visitors day and wish I could just stay and not have to leave for the day ,, I will look forward to the day I can setup camp and just relax and visit with others. Thanks !