Hi, question musket

[Ireneusz 1970]

Hello everyone, I don,t know what is this? It,s a bit similar to a product from Netherlands. Is it some copy from 1950s 20 century ? Original?Copy?Some production for African countries? Thank you for answers

 

[Phil Coffins]

Looks original from here. Perhaps a military musket.

 

[Loyer]

A closeup photo of the lock may help.

 

[Ireneusz 1970]

A closeup photo of the lock may help.

 

[PathfinderNC]

It’s very crude. The lock engraving is terrible and the gaps between wood and metal are severe. My guess is a painted restock using some old parts.
P.s., that butt plate screw is a killer

 

[Ireneusz 1970]

It’s very crude. The lock engraving is terrible and the gaps between wood and metal are severe. My guess is a painted restock using some old parts.
P.s., that butt plate screw is a killer

I already know what it is, Swiss collectors told me that it is a 100% original Swiss musket from end of the 17th century.Stamped with the town marking of a B within a shield , for the town of Baar in the Canton of Zug, lockplate struck with a maker's mark of SK over a Suhl hen. I dismantled the barrel and the date underneath is 1687

 

[Ireneusz 1970]

Looks original from here. Perhaps a military musket.

I already know what it is, Swiss collectors told me that it is a 100% original Swiss musket from end of the 17th century.Stamped with the town marking of a B within a shield , for the town of Baar in the Canton of Zug, lockplate struck with a maker's mark of SK over a Suhl hen. I dismantled the barrel and the date underneath is 1687

 

[mhb]

You did not say what the bore diameter is - but the stampings on the barrel's breech ' 16 G GUNIRON ' would seem to indicate that the bore is 16 ga. (nominally .663"), and the barrel material is gun iron, which is proper for the period, but would not have been an original marking found on a Swiss (or likely any other European) musket of that era. I suspect that those markings were added later when the musket went into the inventory of one of the surplus dealers in such arms.

mhb - MIke

 

[Rancocas]

I am certainly no expert, but my first thought is that this gun is too far advanced technologically for the late 1600's. And, if its Swiss, why would "Gun Iron" be in English? So, things just don't add up for me. It is old, but IMHO it is something that has been cobbled up from various miscellaneous parts, with some new markings added.
I am suspecious.

 

[Ireneusz 1970]

You did not say what the bore diameter is - but the stampings on the barrel's breech ' 16 G GUNIRON ' would seem to indicate that the bore is 16 ga. (nominally .663"), and the barrel material is gun iron, which is proper for the period, but would not have been an original marking found on a Swiss (or likely any other European) musket of that era. I suspect that those markings were added later when the musket went into the inventory of one of the surplus dealers in such arms.

mhb - MIke

Caliber is about 13 mm (European measurement)

 

[Ireneusz 1970]

I am certainly no expert, but my first thought is that this gun is too far advanced technologically for the late 1600's. And, if its Swiss, why would "Gun Iron" be in English? So, things just don't add up for me. It is old, but IMHO it is something that has been cobbled up from various miscellaneous parts, with some new markings added.
I am suspecious.

It doesn't look modern, here are examples from the Internet

 

[mhb]

Caliber is about 13 mm (European measurement)

That is even more confusing - 13mm is about .51" ( .51 caliber), which is much smaller than any contemporary musket bore - is there any evidence that the bore has been reduced by lining?

mhb - MIke

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

FWIW those HUGE dome head butt plate screws were also found on Dutch military muskets and typically ... 2 of them!

 

[Ireneusz 1970]

That is even more confusing - 13mm is about .51" ( .51 caliber), which is much smaller than any contemporary musket bore - is there any evidence that the bore has been reduced by lining?

mhb - MIke

Sorry, my son measured with a ruler and gave me the dimension of 13 mm ))))))). I measured it myself with a caliper and the dimension was about 17mm

 

[mhb]

Sorry, my son measured with a ruler and gave me the dimension of 13 mm ))))))). I measured it myself with a caliper and the dimension was about 17mm

That is more logical - 17mm is .669", which is a likely bore for a musket of that era.

mhb - MIke