Hollow Pointbullet

[Bavarian Hunter]

Greets from Bavaria
Hunters,I have a Problem whit my Conicalbullets in my Tryon Creedmoore!Normaly i use a conical cal.450,450grain FP,120grain Goex FFG.100m 5shotgroupsize 0,8 inch.
Now i shot my first rowdeer whit Blackpowder.The Gamewheight
is beetween12-18kg!
The Bullet goes tru the animal whit no mushroaming!!!Only a hole of bulletsize in the boilerroom and very poor energie transfer to target.The Deer go 70meter and wends down
Now,i want start to test a Hollowpointbullet whit 405grain
and sizest to .450.
What do you think about a hollowpoint?
Does a hollowpoint expant?
I want to bann the deer on place!

Please Help me
Greets from Bavaria

Sorry for my bad english eace:

 

[shmrck1]

BavarianHunter,
first off welcome to the forum!!!! introduce yourself at the welcome forum!! i am sure you will get a lot of opinions on your question but :imo: traditional
hunting does not involve sabots or maxi's. r/b only but that
is just :m2c:
again welcome to the forum
I am snake-eyes
don't worry about your english!!!!!! we have some strange
english spoken here :imo:

 

[Keith]

Well there are a few things to consider. First, Few game animals drop on the spot unless hit in the spine or shoulders. Second, the roe deer are so small they may not offer enough resistance to cause expansion. You may be getting expansion and not realize it also. A bullet does not cut a full caliber hole unexpanded. Tissue has some elasticity, and bullets typically have a point, to some extent, that cause tissue to separate - as opposed to a cookie cutter cutting a whole. Last, you seem to be getting good performance really an exit wound is a good thing, and the deer didn't go far.
:relax:

 

[BrownBear]

I have no experience with roedeer, but with small Sitka blacktail deer pure lead hollowpoints might expand. They sure don't with a #2 alloy at comparable velocities. Impact and "killing power" seem to be related more to the size and bluntness of the bullet- i.e., the bigger and flatter the nose of the bullet, the more suddenly it kills. While there are no guarantees of dropping a roedeer in its tracks, as already pointed out, at the velocities of your gun you would have the best chance of doing it with a Keith-style bullet nose of near bore diamter in a 45.

 

I concur with the other answers here. You are already shooting a flat-point bullet. If it is pure lead, and probalby is, there is probalby slight expansion. I myself like and demand an exit hole when shooting slugs. The Lyman Gould HP bullet is about the best deer bullet in the .45 ctg. guns, so perhaps it would be better for your little deer.
: I wouldn't worry about the seeming lack of expansion. Deer normally bolt when hit through the lungs - no matter whether you hit them with, whether it's a conical from a ML gun, or a 150gr. from a 30/06. Lung shots do that on deer. Now, include a shoulder, and you'll probalby see a different result.
: I'd stick with what shoots accurately. On Boar or Red Deer, you'll see different results as well. The Roe deer are very small, about like Queen Charlette Sitka's- some locals use .22 mags on them, so about anything would work. My bro found .50 RB's to drop those deer in their tracks, but then, that was a 1/2" round ball. With the 30/30 and '06, they ran from 40 to 60 yds.. Because this sometimes put them out onto muskeg beds where he couldn't grecover them, he stopped using the modern guns altogether & used only his FlintLock .50. When the smoke cleared, the deer was laying where it was standing.--That's performance.
: You might try a lighter, 300 gr. flat-point - or hollow-point for that matter. Higher velocity will incease slap on those small animals. You really don't need a moose bullet for 30 lb. deer. For those, even a sabot and pistol bullet might work better, due to their minute size. This then needs to be in the 'other' thread, but then, all kinds of wierd bullets were used in the 60's through 80's in the muzzleloading guns - they just didn't have copper or plastic jackets.