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How do I disaseemble 1861 springfield

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How do I disassemble my 61 springfield completely lock and all and then correctly assemble it again without overtignting any screws on the lockplate?
 
All due respect, but why would you want to do that? Is it broken? If it is not broken, it might be best to not try to fix it.
 
Don't fix something that ain't broke! However, if you feel there is a good reason to take the lock apart, use screwdrivers of the proper size and fit, and before you turn a screw, put a " witness" mark to indiate its position, so you can return the screw to that mark. Then, always count the turns of the screw as you take it out. Record that. Generally, you will want to remove the mainspring first, because it is the biggest, and puts the most tension on the part of the lock. Then the sear spring comes off. Then the bridle, then remove the hammer from the tumbler by unscrewing that hammer retension screw on the outside of the lock, and using a soft mallet, tap the hammer off the square axle. Keep the hammer screw and hammer together. You can remove the sear bar, and tumbler after that. That should be as much disassembly as you need to do. Some lockplates have bolsters that are screwed on. I can't think of any reason to remove a bolster, and never have.

When you want to put it back together, reverse the order you used when taking it apart. If you lay the parts you remove out on a clean towel on your bench and mark them someway so you know what they are and where they came from, you should have no problem putting the lock back together. Take the time to clean the screws and parts. Check for signs of wearing. Sometimes you see soft steels or even iron being used in those old guns, and a part might need to be hardened to preserve it for another 100 years. When the lock is apart, that is the time to clean and polish the inside of the lock plate, first noting any place where some other part of the lock seems to be rubbing against the plate. Before polishing the lock plate, put thos parts back on the plate, so you can move them manually, and see what is rubbing, and why. File or grind, or poish off whatever is causing the rub marks, so that the part moves freely, and does not any longer contact the plate. Sometimes you will find " play" in the tumbler movement in that lock. Depending on the condition of the lock plate, and the tumbler, and how much play there is, there are different solutions to explore. You might want to talk to an experienced black powder gunsmith about fixing this problem. You want the parts to move freely, and without drag or rubbing against the lock plate, other than where they are suppose to make contact with either the lock plate, or other parts. Oil the parts before replacing them. A thin film of oil is all that is needed.

Sometimes the mainspring connect to a stirrup hanging down from the tumbler arm. Unless this is broken, don't remove the stirrup for anything. Some locks also have a small piece of metal located in the tumbler over the half **** notch. This is called the " fly " and gets its name because you have to be very careful not to lose the little thing. It seems to " fly away " if you don't pay attention. Its prupose is important: it allows the sear to pass over the half **** notch when the trigger is pulled to release the hammer from the full **** notch. Don't lose your fly.

In fact, this is the reason most of us are reluctant to take these locks apart, and why you have already received to cautionary " Whys?" from us so far. Since this is where I came in, I am done.
 
If this is one of the Italian reproduction muskets, watch the springs in the lock. They are not the highest quality and if you try reinstalling them without proper tools, you will probably end up with broken springs.
 
Is this an origional? If it is do not place a screwdriver against any part of this gun. Restoration is not a job for the untrained and do not think of cleaning the origional patina from the guns surface. You need museum quality restoration too, not some jackleg yahoo that thinks he's a gunsmith. Contact your state museum, they will know good craftsmen.


If it is a repro-
An 1861 was never intended to be taken down completely for cleaning like a modern military weapon. Don't worry about removing every barrel band, pin and screw.

Remove the lock and flush out the barrel with hot soapy water and run some patches through it until they are clean. Dry the barrel with dry patches and wiope down the outside of the gun with good gun oil.

Spray down the lock with carberator cleaner or brake parts cleaner until the gunk runs clear, then oil the contact surfaces and replace the lock.

If you are a newbie and just want to take a gun apart to see what all of the parts look like this is probably not a good one to start on. It is a bit more complicated than the average CVA or Traditions "Hawkin rifle".

Not trying to be insulting, just don't want you to ruin an expensive origional or a good repro shooter.

:hatsoff:
 
Without arguing with Ghost about the wisdom of doing this, (I actually agree with him) I will give you a couple of points regarding how to take a lock apart:

Have a source for parts that you may lose or damage before you begin. No source? -- do not touch it.

Take digital photos and study the feel and function of the lock once it has been removed fro the stock. As you disassemble the lock, you will notice that some screws will be tight and others will be snug. Take notes as described above and a witness mark might be helpful if it is a repro lock. Do not put a permanent mark in an original. Try to use what is already there by writing what you see. As you reassemble the lock, you will feel the function of the lock is incorrect readily when you over tighten the screws. There is one screw in particular that will lock everything up immediately and you will figure it out quickly. We all do.

(In case you do not have a digital camera:[url] http://www.lodgewood.com/springfield 1842-63.htm)[/url]

Work in a location where you will not lose small parts. Carpets, furniture and other parts will cause you no end of trouble when a part is missing. Have a capture tray or easily searched work surface under your work at all times.

Use the right sized and shaped tools -- especially screwdrivers.

Use a proper mainspring vise or a Crescent wrench to remove the mainspring. (You can grind a notch in some metal stock to form a holding device for a particular lock and fashion another notch on the other end for other spring if you are a flintlock shooter) You bring the gun to fulll **** and slip the wrench over the spring and snug it without tightening it any further. Use the trigger to allow the hammer to go forward which will leave the spring tension on the vise/wrench. Leave this as it is for reinstallation later.

Cleaning, restoring and reshaping are all vastly different things. Know that and decide what you are doing and do just that.

These guns are not in a hospital and do not need to be sterile in order to function well. Active rust in bearing surfaces is a bad thing, but you need to not go too far in cleanliness.

After you have touched them, the parts will be much more likely to rust unless you clean and preserve them.

CS
 
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