rafterob
62 Cal.
Off hand shot I would only be comfortable out to about 80 yards. Using some kind of rest or support 100-125 yards.
I would probably stay with 75 yds or less. Small sights, old eyes and shadowy woods do not make for real clear sight pictures!Off hand shot I would only be comfortable out to about 80 yards. Using some kind of rest or support 100-125 yards.
I regularly shoot out to 1000 yards. Can't hit the target (can't even see it) but I can shoot that far. Maybe a mite farther if there's a tail wind....I would probably stay with 75 yds or less. Small sights, old eyes and shadowy woods do not make for real clear sight pictures!
When I was younger, way younger. I use to do trick shooting shows in my local for friends and neighbors. I mostly shot .22 rifles. I would shoot moving targets, on the ground and in the air but no long range shooting . My routine got a little boreing and in order to change it up a bit I included a M.L. rifle. Talk about a shock! I found that in order to hit a moving target, lead and follow through was most important. I loaded my muzzle loader to the speed of a .22 long rifle round which eliminated one variable but the follow through was another story. I had to hold my lead a lot longer due to the slow lock time. I feel that shooting moving game is not for everyone although there are some people that can. I have never personally shot any moving game with a M.L. rifle but I have taken many deer running with modern arms, some that I feel was over my ability due to how far they were.I was young and did a lot of stupid things back then. My father was a good shooter and he showed me things that would have taken years for me to learn otherwise.I do believe a person knows what he can and cannot do with a rifle?On the modern gun forums you see people bragging about 500+ yard shots at deer. My first thought is always that you must be a really lousy at hunting if you can't get closer than 500 yards.
The old saying, "just because you can do something, doesn't mean that you should", I personally choose not to shoot at running game. Sooner or later it stops, and I will be on the "hunt" again trailing them! IMHOWhen I was younger, way younger. I use to do trick shooting shows in my local for friends and neighbors. I mostly shot .22 rifles. I would shoot moving targets, on the ground and in the air but no long range shooting . My routine got a little boreing and in order to change it up a bit I included a M.L. rifle. Talk about a shock! I found that in order to hit a moving target, lead and follow through was most important. I loaded my muzzle loader to the speed of a .22 long rifle round which eliminated one variable but the follow through was another story. I had to hold my lead a lot longer due to the slow lock time. I feel that shooting moving game is not for everyone although there are some people that can. I have never personally shot any moving game with a M.L. rifle but I have taken many deer running with modern arms, some that I feel was over my ability due to how far they were.I was young and did a lot of stupid things back then. My father was a good shooter and he showed me things that would have taken years for me to learn otherwise.I do believe a person knows what he can and cannot do with a rifle?
When I got old enough to hunt a lot of hunters used dogs . If was a rare occasion to have a still shot. You learned how to shoot or you most likely would never get a deer? As I matured I didn't care to hunt deer with dogs.The old saying, "just because you can do something, doesn't mean that you should", I personally choose not to shoot at running game. Sooner or later it stops, and I will be on the "hunt" again trailing them! IMHO
Never liked using dogs to hunt anything other than birds/ducks. It is a cruel way to hunt (IMHO) You run the poor critter down until it is exhausted, then kill it. My, what a big strong ethical hunter you are, when you do that!! No, you are just a sadistic killer (IMHO)When I got old enough to hunt a lot of hunters used dogs . If was a rare occasion to have a still shot. You learned how to shoot or you most likely would never get a deer? As I matured I didn't care to hunt deer with dogs.
Ease up, I don't care for hunting deer with hounds myself but if others like it power to them. There's a lot more to it than easy mindless killing. Keep the thread positive I say.Never liked using dogs to hunt anything other than birds/ducks. It is a cruel way to hunt (IMHO) You run the poor critter down until it is exhausted, then kill it. My, what a big strong ethical hunter you are, when you do that!! No, you are just a sadistic killer (IMHO)
I am positive, I just have a strong aversion to using dogs, baiting animals, shooting over bait, and then trying to call it hunting. When you set up a "controlled killing ground", that is not hunting. We did the same thing in Nam. It was called an ambush. IMHOEase up, I don't care for hunting deer with hounds myself but if others like it power to them. There's a lot more to it than easy mindless killing. Keep the thread positive I say.
I too don't like to hunt deer with dogs but it is legal? I also don't bait animals as well it is the same thing? What amazes me is it is fine to hunt birds with dogs and they are animals as well? I guess birds are not as important as deer? What irony!Ease up, I don't care for hunting deer with hounds myself but if others like it power to them. There's a lot more to it than easy mindless killing. Keep the thread positive I say.
No irony, totally different situations. The difference in bird hunting is the dogs 'flush" the bird which take flight in any direction and you still have to hit it! It is not some poor deer run to ground , or bear in a tree or cat that they then walk up to and kill. etc. With ducks, the dogs retrieve, that 's all.I too don't like to hunt deer with dogs but it is legal? I also don't bait animals as well it is the same thing? What amazes me is it is fine to hunt birds with dogs and they are animals as well? I guess birds are not as important as deer? What irony!
Many forget that especially at distance a deer can raise its head, lower its head, step sideways, forward or back in a split second, which is enough to make a good shot a poor shot! Now you have a wounded deer.I don't shoot at running animals unless they're within 30 yards, there's too much risk of not getting the lead right and wounding them, in my opinion.
On standing Deer, it depends on the gun I have, but with most rifles I'd take after deer, I'm comfortable off hand to about 150, I've killed several groundhog at that distance. If I have sticks, I would say 2-250 yards, depending on the rifle. Out past that, and deer really start to look small, and often times, you can't hardly spot them without binoculars. I'm in OH, so our deer are more on the large side, for perspective.
Brother in law did get one off sticks at 350+/-, but that was with a 35" barreled fast twist .40 and a scope with 400ish grain bullets. It was kind of a long diagonal across a bean field corner. I like sights, so most of my shooting is limited by that It's not that sights aren't accurate enough out past that, I just don't feel comfortable with shooting with a front sight that covers up about 75% of the deer lol.
Moose, Elk, Pronghorn, and Bison would be a bit different, on account of their sizes.
No irony, totally different situations. The difference in bird hunting is the dogs 'flush" the bird which take flight in any direction and you still have to hit it! It is not some poor deer run to ground , or bear in a tree or cat that they then walk up to and kill. etc. With ducks, the dogs retrieve, that 's all.
You are so right. I would suggest if one chooses to shoot at a deer any distance you must read the animal well. If a deer is grazing and puts his head down it is about a good of a time as any to make the shot. I don't shoot at deer at long distances simply because in my area shots are close. I also don't hunt open fields.Many forget that especially at distance a deer can raise its head, lower its head, step sideways, forward or back in a split second, which is enough to make a good shot a poor shot! Now you have a wounded deer.
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