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How Long is a Load Good for?

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The Baron

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I loaded my .62 smoothie (flint) early Tuesday and went hunting in the morning and afternoon, with no opportunities for a shot. Weather was warm and no rain. The gun is still loaded and sitting in my dry basement. How long would you guys trust the load, given that chances on turkeys don't come easy. If I use the gun again tomorrow (Thursday) morning, would you guys refresh the load? What about if I don't get a chance and may hunt on Saturday?

Thanks.
 
What kind of lube did you use on the patch? I would be more concerned about leaving that PRB in the barrel for all that time, and the lube be drying out, or drawing moisture to rust the barrel, than with the powder. If your basement is truly dry, you should have no problems. The only way to know, is to do your own test. I would fire this load after three days to see how it shoots. Clean the gun, and then load it again before the saturday hunt. Why take a chance? If the load fires without any delays, then you know that the basement and the weather you experienced when the gun was with you out of doors works okay. But remember that any change in these details can change the outcome. To be safe, change the load. If your range is close by, take the gun to the range, take a good position similar to the one you would use hunting, and fire at a target to see how close you hit. You will learn much about your gun and your own abilities doing it this way.
 
The Baron said:
"...How long would you guys trust the load, given that chances on turkeys don't come easy..."

Since the mid-90's when I had a caplock hang fire and missed a 6 pointer over his back at an easy 30-40yds, I've never stepped into the woods hunting for anything without a fresh load in a dry bore, and never will again.

All the talk about leaving them in cold trucks during the night or outside on the porch, etc, is fine for anyone else who wants to do it, I simply won't be one of them.

I come home, pull the load, and patch the bore...takes 30-45 seconds...set the ML in the warm dry house over night, load fresh in the garage before I leave the next morning and never worry about igniton.

:thumbsup:
 
I have left them loaded for a month before and it went off just fine when i tried it. But then if i was worried that i may only get the one shot at a turkey i may go ahead and start with a fresh load.
 
In the very damp climate of NW Oregon, I have left a load in for three weeks or more and if I did not get caught in a heavy rain just wipe the gun down and a lightly lubed patch down to the ball and have never had a dud, if I got pretty wet I would start over.
 
Mr. Baron,
We have left our Lyman Trade Rifle (flintlock) loaded for over six months. Fresh prime and it fired without hesitation. Not recommending this practice for others but works for us.
Best Wishes
 
The powder itself will keep as long as it is somewhat dry, there are a few examples of Civil War weapons found with active loads still in them, loaded over 100 years ago...

Pro's and Con's

Pro: The gun is ready at a moment's notice.
Con: How much is saving a load worth if you loose the value of the meat from a misfire?

Pro: The gun is still clean and you don't have to bother with it, saving time for other things.
Con: Someone else looks at your gun thinking it's unloaded and it goes off when they pull the trigger?
 
Good for hunting? A week, tops. Good for accidently going off after everybody has forgotten the gun is loaded? Years!
 
Worse: After a couple of months, you forget the gun is loaded, don't run a ramrod down the barrel to find out, and load a second charge on top of the first, finding out about the double charge only when you can't push that ball or conical down to your mark on your ramrod! Yipes, have you got work to do, now!

I have several modern revolvers, and shotguns, I keep loaded for social purposes in the house. Years ago, I was subject to death theats on a weekly basis as an Assistant Public Defender, and some of those people are still just getting out of prison. I have only confirmed one viable threat by a former client to get me, to date, but that does not mean I should not be cautious. My BP guns stay unloaded and clean.
 
To remind myself the gun is loaded, I tied a few wraps of flagging tape around the wrist and lock.

My next opportunity to hunt probably isn't coming until Saturday now, so I pulled the load last night. I did it as much for safety's sake as anything else. I'm sure the load would likely be dangerous for years. But, I decided my opportunities to hunt this spring are so few and far between, I don't want to leave anything to chance when my next big gobbler rolls in!
 
Since you're talkin' turkey, so to speak, I assume you mean a load of shot. That makes unloading very easy. Pull the top wad with a screw, dump the shot into a container, pull the overpowder wads and dump the powder down the drain. No need to totally clean it, just wipe out with a dry patch and you're ready to reload the morning of the hunt.
I've left ML's loaded for long periods, sometimes as a test and sometimes out of laziness, and never had any problems. I hate pulling a tight ball but shotgun wads are so easy that laziness doesn't even apply. :grin:
 
I usually don't leave a gun loaded, I get so disgusted by the end of the day of not seeing any game that I want to shoot something, anything, so I unload the gun on a target of opportunity only seconds before that monster buck walks out and looks at me like I'm a total moron...
 
I like MusketMan's solution. I like to fire as many clean and cold barrel shots as I can so that I know where that first shot is going from these experiences.

However, I am well aware that you can keep a load fresh and reliable for months if you choose.

The bore should have been carefully cleaned of any oils or other concoctions which would ruin the charge quicker than moisture will.

The nipple or vent should be plugged with a toothpick for several good reasons.
On a caplock, a folded patch with the hammer resting on it can be used to seal the nipple.
On a flint, keep the frizzen forward/open and the flint in the down position so that sparks are extremely unlikely.

The muzzle should be visibly covered to keep out moisture and to warn you that the gun is loaded. Tompions work well for this. Some have color coded these for loaded and unloaded conditions.

If the gun was fired day and not thoroughly cleaned, you are inviting a barrel pitting disaster if you do not empty, clean and preserve it.

It is generally not recommended to leave these guns loaded, but since some people insist, these are some concerns which must be managed and considered. You put in your quarter and take your own chances.

I just wanted to toss out some thoughts for further discussion. I encourage any suggestions or challenges in trying to improve the corporate knowledge on this.

CS
 
I have experimented leaving my C&B revolvers loaded for various periods of time. They have gone off without any problem for as long as I have had the patience to wait. Up to almost four months in one case. I wouldn't be willing to risk it on a hunting trip though.

I did the experiment with C&B revolvers because it's easy to see when they are loaded and they are far easier to secure than a long gun.

I don't trust flintlocks left loaded because I have had one go off with no priming powder in the pan and have heard of a couple of others. For the record I was trying to fire the flintlock without priming it, and it took me two tries.
 
OK, I know a lot of people do this, but I don't consider a muzzleloader unloaded or safe unless it is unloaded, period. It doesn't go in the car or house with a load in it, pulled or shot out. I know I do more cleaning than most, but none of my guns have worn out yet. I almost shot my father when I was younger with a gun that was unprimed and had a slippery sear, and yes, the frizzen was shut, my fault. Stupid things happen, be safe!
 
Baron, as far as whether or not the thing will fire, if you plug the touch hole with a round tooth pick, the powder charge is as well sealed as if it were still in the can. However, as Coyote Joe said, with a shot load, it's so easy to pull the load, you may as well. As far as roundball missing an easy shot at a deer, there's a million excuses for missing game, that's as good as any I guess. The real question IMO, is, as has been mentioned, safely storing the gun in the mean time. I've left guns "loaded" for a year. However, my guns are stored in a locked fireproof safe and i put masking tape over the muzzle to indicate that there is a load in it. Paul mentioned a double load and reminded me of a story. A few years back my neighbor shot a moose with his traditions .54 caplock with 100g pyro and a 475g slug (or there abouts). He imediately reloaded, then went looking for his moose. he found it piled up about 50 yards away. He uncaped his gun then set about dressing the moose. A few hours later he got to the farm and was met by his dad and a few of his crony freinds and they came over to see the moose. he showed them the gun he used on it and heard comments like "you can kill a moose with that thing?". Robert said "sure, wanna see how it works". So (you can see this coming) he proceeds to load his 100g pyro and 475g slug, levels the gun at a dirt bank and just as the sear trips, it occurs to him that it was already loaded. BOOM. the gun roars and sets him back a few steps. Without missing a beat, he turned to the group and says, "anyone want to give it a try??". He had no takers and never did tell them it was double loaded.

Cody
 
All very good storys and reasons (along with all the news articles about guns going off by surprise etc) and why it doesnt make sense to leave a gun loaded. Dont know about you lot but I have enough "senior moments" when i forget why I've just walked into the workshop never mind whether I left a gun loaded last week. Just a tip, if I'm pulling a ball I dribble a little Ballistol down the bore first, leave it for 2 minutes and the ball pulls easily.
 
Musketman said:
The powder itself will keep as long as it is somewhat dry, there are a few examples of Civil War weapons found with active loads still in them, loaded over 100 years ago...

There was an article in the paper about 20 years ago about a farmer that found a CW rifle barrel on his farm and decided it would be perfect to fix the hinge on his gate. He stuck the breech end in his forge and was apparently looking straight down it as the .58 Minie ball hit him above his right eye and took the back of his head off.
 
".58 Minie ball hit him above his right eye and took the back of his head off."

Likely hurt really bad, but not for long...

Actually, I know a gunsmith who found a loaded small bore caplock halfstock sealed inside of a wall and was convinced that the load was at least a hundred years old. He pulled it and lit the powder which burned like new.

Can an ML be left loaded indefinitely? Yes.

Can it be safely managed? History shows examples both ways. Generally depending upon the care of the user.

Whether or not it should be done is another question. One best answered by the owner/user.

CS
 
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