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We keep reading about a Tuned Lock, yet I have not read exactly what this means.
Perhaps some of the more experienced Flintlock shooters could do a tutorial on the steps to tune a Flint lock, and how to determine if your lock does need tuning.
Pete
 
Tall order for a tutorial. Tuning involves disassembling the lock and polishing the contact points, adjusting the geometry for proper sear engagement, flint alignment and pan closure as needed and assuring smooth function.

Related would be adjusting the trigger pivot for weight of pull (with older style pinned triggers) and tempering the frizzen for good sparking.
 
Stumpkiller said:
Tall order for a tutorial. Tuning involves disassembling the lock and polishing the contact points, adjusting the geometry for proper sear engagement, flint alignment and pan closure as needed and assuring smooth function.

Related would be adjusting the trigger pivot for weight of pull (with older style pinned triggers) and tempering the frizzen for good sparking.
Plus, the experience to know when you get it right.
 
Best instructions I have seen are in Peter Alexander's book "The Gunsmith Of Grenville County". This is fussy stuff, requires some special tools, and making jigs and guides. The work can be as simple as removing a few burrs, and as complex as changing angles on sears or heating and bending the cock.

Take a look in NMLRA's "Muzzle Blasts" and in "Muzzleloader" magazine for craftsmen who tune locks.

White Fox
 
If its any of Jim Chambers locks, either he in Asheville, NC...or his Deluxe Siler lock smith Dale Johnson in Tennessee, will tune them.

I've bought two like new / used Flintlock rifles with Chambers large siler locks on them...and in those cases the first thing I did was send them to Dale Johnson to upgrade them to 'Deluxe Silers' and tune them as perfectly as possible.
Had each back in a week, flawless performance ever since.
 
petew said:
We keep reading about a Tuned Lock, yet I have not read exactly what this means.
Perhaps some of the more experienced Flintlock shooters could do a tutorial on the steps to tune a Flint lock, and how to determine if your lock does need tuning.
Pete

I do alot of tinkering with my stuff, alot of it is common sense, some of it is real technical, and a small amount of it is just plain voodoo.

If this is something you intend to pursue be prepared to replace some parts.

Also the amount of work involved is much to lengthly to put in a tutorial, way to many variables involved and each lock is an individual and requires individual attention.

It is not impossible, but is a very steep learning curve and the information is closely guarded.

Those that don't or wont work on them really have no clue or valuable input other than repeating the same rhetoric about send it to this guy or that.

Good Luck.
 
So how do we know if a lock is in need of tuning?
If it cocks when we pull the hammer, and fires when we pull the triger what would we be looking for other than that?

With all the chat about a "Well Tuned Lock" I think that I am missing something. What would be a symptom that would make me think I need a tune up if the lock cocks , sparks, and the gun goes boom?
There are not that many parts in a lock, and reality it is a pretty simple thing.It realy is not complicated.
I am new to this, and just trying to get a grasp on this "tuning thing" that is constantly talked about.
 
Disassemble the lock, look at the inside of the lock plate for any sign of the main spring or tumbler scraping on it. A well tuned lock will have a smooth clean appearance in the inside with no scraping or gouging. Files or sharpening stones can be used to even and smooth the inside out. Check all parts for smoothness and no left over material from casting on them that might be a problem. You want everything inside a lock to work without any resistance caused from drag...
 
... and then case harden it.


I am out the door, couple toilets to rebuild, a water heater to replace, and fish some dudes glasses out of a toilet. :rotf:


Will get back to this tonight.
 
I agree with 'swampy' on the activities to ensure smoothness of operation.

In additon there are a number of considerations having to do with geometry that are optimized in lock tuning to give top performance...its not a simple matter of does the lock work, like a pass/fail situation.

Top performance/lock speed includes a number of other things, for example, the height that the flint hits the frizzen, the angle that it hits the frizzen, the relationship of main and frizzen spring power, timing, etc, etc, etc.



And be careful of those on the Internet who come across all full of themselves and talk about this as if it's child's play.

It's a very rare individual who who can really, completely "tune a lock to its maximum performance level", and those who can never show an attitude...they're quiet professionals who quickly become known through our fraternity by the top quality of their work...ie: Jim Chambers, Dale Johnson, L.C. Rice, to name a few.
 
Since you are new to the forum, you need to explore what is already here. Go up to the top of the Index page to this forum, and look for a box marked, " Member Resources". Then scroll down to a thread marked "Articles, Charts, and Links". There are wonderful pieces of useful information found there. Review it. Among the articles is one on Shooting and Tuning Flintlocks. It will give you some information on what you want t know.

Tuning locks involves " Reverse Engineering". That is, you begin where you want to go, and go back wards, one step at a time from there. anything that hinders the final goal( quick ignition of the main charge) needs to be "Fixed".

Percussion locks have 2 springs; flintlocks have 3. Each spring provides energy to perform separate functions from the other(s). To tune the lock, you remove all the springs, and then the parts, and begin with the lock plate. Most plates ARE soft. Their thickness, and the tension of the mainspring on the tumbler actually will determine if case hardening the lock plate should be done.

The plate must be Flat along the inside, so that all the internal parts attached to it can move freely. I test the parts manually, to check clearance, and properly angled points of contact, BEFORE I put those parts' spring back in the lock.

The order I work on parts after checking the lockplate is:

1. The frizzen, and its spring;

2. The mainspring and the tumbler( along with the tumbler bridle, and fly, if present.)

3. The sear bar, and its spring.

The logic of my madness? Everything in a lock leads up to that flint striking the frizzen properly to produce sparks, and getting them down in the flash pan as quickly as possible.

If the frizzen binds, or is slow to open, we fail. The result is inconsistent ignition, at best, short flint life, and lack of shooter confidence in his gun. All can cause a missed shot.

So, I work on the frizzen and its spring FIRST. Since these items are on the outside of the lock plate, they are also the easiest to observe in operation on the gun.

The rotation of that hammer( cock) is all important, in a flintlock, so the hammer, tumbler, and mainspring become the next most important items to work on. Most locks have a bridle to support the tumbler, and most tumblers today are designed to be used with a double set trigger. That then requires a " Fly" installed on the tumbler to allow the sear to slide over the half cock notch when the gun is fired.

The tumbler has to rotate as smooth as glass in the lock plate hole. check this manual, without the mainspring attached to the tumbler. Later when you are checking, and polishing the contact surfaces between the hook of the mainspring and the horn of the tumbler( if the tumbler is designed this old-fashioned style) You will want to examine how squared the nose of the hook is to the horn, so that the spring is not putting TORQUE on the tumbler and creating binding and wear to the tumbler and the hole in the lock plate. I have examined locks where the nose of the hook on the lower arm of the mainspring is so out-of-square that the mainspring actually will slide off the horn unless held in place by the wood in the lock mortise!

Contact points of the springs, and the parts they move must be polished to a glass smooth surface to get the least friction, and the best mechanical performance of both the springs, and the moving parts.

The small sear spring has the least tension, moves the least, and therefore usually requires the least amount of work to bring it up to best performance. Its simple job is to push down on the sear bar, so that the sear goes back to its "unfired" position, awaiting for the hammer to be re-cocked. In some actions, the sear spring also has to move the trigger back to its "rest" position. Polishing the nose of the sear spring, and the contact surface on the sear so that the parts move without any hesitation- smooth as glass- will give you the best working performance.

Once you get the lock all polished, oiled, and put back together, you can move on to design issues, such as how tall the cock is, where the flint strikes the frizzen( Angle of impact), where the flint edge is located during its cycle when the frizzen opens( or not), TH location, size of TH, How much powder to use in the flash pan, and then the proper techniques for loading your gun to maximize fast ignition.

Many of the foreign made locks are being produced by people who just copy some lock they see in a museum, without knowing if its a good lock or not. They think the frizzen spring's job is to hold the frizzen closed, so that the flint bites deeply into the face of the frizzen to Gouge out metal. They are wrong. One of the oldest "Tests" of a good lock is to leave the frizzen spring out of the lock, and test fire the gun. If its tuned properly, the gun fires quickly and surely everytime you load it, and the flash pan, cock and pull the trigger.

The ONLY JOB a frizzen spring was ever intended to do was keep the frizzen CLOSED when the gun was carried muzzle down.

Man of the modern locks have coil springs and struts, use bar and stirrup connections to join the mainspring to the tumbler. These lock require different approaches to tuning, but all the directions on taking the parts down from the lock plate apply, and polishing them, are the same. Testing them manually is also the same.

Most of the coil springs are "over-engineered", and need to have coils clipped off of them to prevent stacking, and to stop the "rattle and tickle" these heavy springs deliver to the entire gun. Because of the bar and stirrups connection the coil spring strut to the tumbler, you are limited to what can be done to improve the speed of rotation of the tumbler in these locks. Advanced tuning of these kinds of lock involves making a new tumbler and changing the location of the half-cock, and full-cock notches to allow a shorter, faster rotation. For many target shooters, the half cock may become the full-cock notch, and no half cock notch will be provided.

I mention these anomalies simply to alert you to the fact that NOT ALL locks are made alike. The same REVERSE ENGINEERING principles will work in analyzing what needs to be "Fixed" on any lock to make its parts move more smoothly, and therefore faster, however. Care and maintenance thereafter determines how well a tuned lock continues to perform. :shocked2: :hmm: :hatsoff: :hatsoff:
 
Paul gave you a good outline on what needs to be done, there are a few delicate areas that need attention as well.

As far as the lock plate not being hardened, if you do not do this step the hard parts, mainly the tumbler, will wear the lock plate and the bridle. This will cause issues with the overall function of the lock. The tumbler will become sloppy in the lockplate and the bridle.

Get yourself some books, the one mentioned above is good, there are more out there.

Like I said earlier, if your gonna do this be prepared to replace some parts.

Also realize that unless your willing to weld up and re-drill some holes some locks cannot be put right by filing on springs to change the angle of contact.

In this case, again, case hardening is your friend.
 
petew said:
So how do we know if a lock is in need of tuning?
If it cocks when we pull the hammer, and fires when we pull the triger what would we be looking for other than that?

With all the chat about a "Well Tuned Lock" I think that I am missing something. What would be a symptom that would make me think I need a tune up if the lock cocks , sparks, and the gun goes boom?
There are not that many parts in a lock, and reality it is a pretty simple thing.It realy is not complicated.
I am new to this, and just trying to get a grasp on this "tuning thing" that is constantly talked about.

My current flint lock has 1000 rounds thru it, it was my first build and was not case hardened, it is getting sloppy now.

Hard parts rubbing on each other can be polished to be smooth as glass and will last almost indefinitely.

Hard and soft parts rubbing on each other can be polished to be smooth as glass but the hard parts will still erode the soft parts.

You will not learn how to do this by reading about it on the net, it is a hands on process. Either learn on your own stuff or you pay somebody willing to teach.

That is what is so comical about the armchair tuners giving advise, I have to wonder about the motives.

I am at the next step, I have ordered a Chambers Golden Age lock from Track and will study it thru and thru, it should take my work to the next level.

Again Good Luck.
 
paulvallandigham said:
Since you are new to the forum, you need to explore what is already here. Go up to the top of the Index page to this forum, and look for a box marked, " Member Resources". Then scroll down to a thread marked "Articles, Charts, and Links". There are wonderful pieces of useful information found there. Review it. Among the articles is one on Shooting and Tuning Flintlocks. It will give you some information on what you want t know.

Tuning locks involves " Reverse Engineering". That is, you begin where you want to go, and go back wards, one step at a time from there. anything that hinders the final goal( quick ignition of the main charge) needs to be "Fixed".

Percussion locks have 2 springs; flintlocks have 3. Each spring provides energy to perform separate functions from the other(s). To tune the lock, you remove all the springs, and then the parts, and begin with the lock plate. Most plates ARE soft. Their thickness, and the tension of the mainspring on the tumbler actually will determine if case hardening the lock plate should be done.

The plate must be Flat along the inside, so that all the internal parts attached to it can move freely. I test the parts manually, to check clearance, and properly angled points of contact, BEFORE I put those parts' spring back in the lock.

The order I work on parts after checking the lockplate is:

1. The frizzen, and its spring;

2. The mainspring and the tumbler( along with the tumbler bridle, and fly, if present.)

3. The sear bar, and its spring.

The logic of my madness? Everything in a lock leads up to that flint striking the frizzen properly to produce sparks, and getting them down in the flash pan as quickly as possible.

If the frizzen binds, or is slow to open, we fail. The result is inconsistent ignition, at best, short flint life, and lack of shooter confidence in his gun. All can cause a missed shot.

So, I work on the frizzen and its spring FIRST. Since these items are on the outside of the lock plate, they are also the easiest to observe in operation on the gun.

The rotation of that hammer( cock) is all important, in a flintlock, so the hammer, tumbler, and mainspring become the next most important items to work on. Most locks have a bridle to support the tumbler, and most tumblers today are designed to be used with a double set trigger. That then requires a " Fly" installed on the tumbler to allow the sear to slide over the half cock notch when the gun is fired.

The tumbler has to rotate as smooth as glass in the lock plate hole. check this manual, without the mainspring attached to the tumbler. Later when you are checking, and polishing the contact surfaces between the hook of the mainspring and the horn of the tumbler( if the tumbler is designed this old-fashioned style) You will want to examine how squared the nose of the hook is to the horn, so that the spring is not putting TORQUE on the tumbler and creating binding and wear to the tumbler and the hole in the lock plate. I have examined locks where the nose of the hook on the lower arm of the mainspring is so out-of-square that the mainspring actually will slide off the horn unless held in place by the wood in the lock mortise!

Contact points of the springs, and the parts they move must be polished to a glass smooth surface to get the least friction, and the best mechanical performance of both the springs, and the moving parts.

The small sear spring has the least tension, moves the least, and therefore usually requires the least amount of work to bring it up to best performance. Its simple job is to push down on the sear bar, so that the sear goes back to its "unfired" position, awaiting for the hammer to be re-cocked. In some actions, the sear spring also has to move the trigger back to its "rest" position. Polishing the nose of the sear spring, and the contact surface on the sear so that the parts move without any hesitation- smooth as glass- will give you the best working performance.

Once you get the lock all polished, oiled, and put back together, you can move on to design issues, such as how tall the cock is, where the flint strikes the frizzen( Angle of impact), where the flint edge is located during its cycle when the frizzen opens( or not), TH location, size of TH, How much powder to use in the flash pan, and then the proper techniques for loading your gun to maximize fast ignition.

Many of the foreign made locks are being produced by people who just copy some lock they see in a museum, without knowing if its a good lock or not. They think the frizzen spring's job is to hold the frizzen closed, so that the flint bites deeply into the face of the frizzen to Gouge out metal. They are wrong. One of the oldest "Tests" of a good lock is to leave the frizzen spring out of the lock, and test fire the gun. If its tuned properly, the gun fires quickly and surely everytime you load it, and the flash pan, cock and pull the trigger.

The ONLY JOB a frizzen spring was ever intended to do was keep the frizzen CLOSED when the gun was carried muzzle down.

Man of the modern locks have coil springs and struts, use bar and stirrup connections to join the mainspring to the tumbler. These lock require different approaches to tuning, but all the directions on taking the parts down from the lock plate apply, and polishing them, are the same. Testing them manually is also the same.

Most of the coil springs are "over-engineered", and need to have coils clipped off of them to prevent stacking, and to stop the "rattle and tickle" these heavy springs deliver to the entire gun. Because of the bar and stirrups connection the coil spring strut to the tumbler, you are limited to what can be done to improve the speed of rotation of the tumbler in these locks. Advanced tuning of these kinds of lock involves making a new tumbler and changing the location of the half-cock, and full-cock notches to allow a shorter, faster rotation. For many target shooters, the half cock may become the full-cock notch, and no half cock notch will be provided.

I mention these anomalies simply to alert you to the fact that NOT ALL locks are made alike. The same REVERSE ENGINEERING principles will work in analyzing what needs to be "Fixed" on any lock to make its parts move more smoothly, and therefore faster, however. Care and maintenance thereafter determines how well a tuned lock continues to perform. :shocked2: :hmm: :hatsoff: :hatsoff:
Thank you!!
 
The best way to tune a lock is to send it to Dale Johnson,he did one for me and it was awesome
 
I'm new to flintlocks and I don't know much about tuning a lock, however I am a machinist and I know a little bit about the working of metal parts. I immediately noticed a few problems with some new locks. Most of the problems that I have noticed were with the tumbler. Some are too loose in the lock plate and the cock is to loose on the hammer (or cock). This drives me nuts. I can not stand sloppy fitting parts. I have been shimming the hammer fit on the tumbler but I don't like to use shim to fix something that should have been corrected at the time of manufacturing.
 
Kaintuckkee said:
The best way to tune a lock is to send it to Dale Johnson,he did one for me and it was awesome

That was my experience as well...even if I didn't have to send mine to Dale for the purpose of upgrading them to the deluxe versions...redrilling the lock plate, replacing/fitting/tuning new components, etc...after getting them back from Dale and into operation I decided I won't even waste my time fiddling with one in the future...not talking about obvious basics, talking about top performance tuning...I'll just send it to him straight away.
My approach in life is I make my living working my areas of specialty, and pay others for their areas of speciality...I can be shooting a range session or out hunting or something while the lock tuning is being done.
:wink:

And by having the manufacturer's actual staff doing the work instead of some random individual, I'll get the benefit of any tweaks or mods they've made since the original production
 
roundball said:
Kaintuckkee said:
The best way to tune a lock is to send it to Dale Johnson,he did one for me and it was awesome

That was my experience as well...even if I didn't have to send mine to Dale for the purpose of upgrading them to the deluxe versions...redrilling the lock plate, replacing/fitting/tuning new components, etc...after getting them back from Dale and into operation I decided I won't even waste my time fiddling with one in the future...not talking about obvious basics, talking about top performance tuning...I'll just send it to him straight away.
My approach in life is I make my living working my areas of specialty, and pay others for their areas of speciality...I can be shooting a range session or out hunting or something while the lock tuning is being done.
:wink:

And by having the manufacturer's actual staff doing the work instead of some random individual, I'll get the benefit of any tweaks or mods they've made since the original production

Do you have contact information for Mr. Johnson?

Snow
 
Snow, here it is:

Dale Johnson
610 Swimming Pool Rd
Hampton, TN 37658
(423) 725-3813
 
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