I need a good flintlock pistol

[mykeal]

I need a good flintlock pistol. Price is an object, but I can probably spend about $400. Maybe more if it's really worth it. Object is local match shooting, bragging rights only. And I'm just average at pistol shooting.

Buy one? If so....
Production gun...which one? Or...
Custom made...which one?

Build one? If so...
95% kit...which one? Or...
Bag of parts...what lock/barrel/stock/design?
:hmm: :idunno:

 

[rawhide]

ya mite ceck out track of the wolf.com or dixie gun works.com both have lots of kit or made pistols. but the prices start at around 500. I realy don't know of to many manufatures that still make a flint pistol any more. like t/c or traditions. I'll look at my work for ya. rawhide.

 

[Jim/OH]

Mykeal, if you were at Friendship this past June, there were some flint pistols for sale in the Pistol Shack about in that price range. :hmm: There are usually used pistols for sale in there at every shoot. :thumbsup: If you go in Sept., don't forget to check it out. They are not out in the open, you have to go inside the shack, so a lot of people do not know about them. :wink:

Hope this helps, see ya, Jim/OH :hatsoff:

 

[cowpoke1955]

Mykeal,
You're in luck. Dixie is have a sale on Pedersoli Kentucky flintlocks in .45 and .50 caliber for $295. .54 caliber goes for $375.

 

[Zonie]

If you go with the Pedersoli Kentucky I would advise you to add a barrel lug up towards the muzzle, cut a clearance for it in the wood and install a pin thru the wood and underlug.

Why?
Because the Pedersoli Kentucky uses the nose cap to retain the barrel.
While this by itself isn't bad, the amount of wood at the nose of the stock that the nose cap traps is very thin. This can result in it shearing off leaving the muzzle end of the barrel free to move.

The gun also has a very heavy trigger pull due in part to the location of the trigger pin and there is not a lot of steel around this pin to allow moving the pin closer to the sear arm.

Beyond that, the Pedersoli Kentucky is a pretty nice pistol.

 

[bowkill]

just ordered this one from track for 381.00 to the door.It will be here Saturday the computer said the lock was out of stock but the invoice said it was shipped. cant wait!!!!!!! http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Cate...0&partNum=KENTUCKY-PISTOL-FLINT-LR-PARTS-LIST

 

[Sharps1863]

http://www.flintlocksetc.com/index.htm
They say they are, "The only U.S. full line dealer direct distributor
for Davide Pedersoli, Co."
They have the HARPER'S FERRY PISTOL .58cal IN STOCK for
$450+ $16.00 shipping. Its a good looking pistol
They have 10% off all their guns

 

[FishDFly]

mykeal,

Jim/OH gives excellent advice, since you can handle multiple pistols in place. Jim has helped me with advice and buying pistols and I value his experience.

If you can find a Ten-Ring Flintlock, buy one. I consistently shoot higher scores with it than any other pistol that I own, even set a new record with it in Phoenix this year. I bought a pair of Ten-Rings, percussion and flintlock, very nice pistols.

How about a Yagel?

Pedersoli, I bought the Kentucky flintlock and percussion. They both went to my local pistol smith, very heavy trigger pull. He did wonders with the trigger on each. They are accurate and I am doing fine with them in traditional matches. Read Zonie’s comments and recommendations. If you follow his recommendations, I am not sure if you can shoot them in “traditional matches” with his recommended changes, you can shoot them in flintlock matches though. I bought mine to shoot only in traditional matches. They are nice pistols and I am pleased with them and as another average pistol shooter I am comfortable with them.

If I were going to pick one Pedersoli, I would buy the Charles Moore for several reasons. Excellent workmanship, barrel is long enough, great trigger and accurate. Another plus, it meets the requirements for the flintlock aggs and does meet the standards for NMLRA Traditional Kentucky Flintlock. Agg. The Charles Moore is a bit higher than your desired price, call Flintlocks.etc, they might be willing to deal. I doubt pistols are flying out the door right now.

To build a pistol takes three (3) things, time, talent and tools; I am missing on 2 out of 3.

If you want to know more about a Charles Moore, send me a PM, I will share some insight with you.

RDE

 

[Zonie]

Richard:
You got my curiosity up.

What, about adding an underlug and pinning the barrel would make the Pedersoli Kentucky ineligible for shooting it in the traditional matches?

Do the traditional matches require that the pistol be from a large factory and it must be left box stock? If so, how can your pistol be eligible to compete?

By the way, many of the original pistols had pinned barrels. They are pretty traditional.

 

[FishDFly]

Richard:
You got my curiosity up.

What, about adding an underlug and pinning the barrel would make the Pedersoli Kentucky ineligible for shooting it in the traditional matches?

Do the traditional matches require that the pistol be from a large factory and it must be left box stock? If so, how can your pistol be eligible to compete?

By the way, many of the original pistols had pinned barrels. They are pretty traditional.

 

[FishDFly]

Zonie,

I did not mean to send this yesterday, I was getting out to do a chore and hit send by mistake.

My reason for the comment was, I modified the front sight on one pistol, I made it wider than what it came with and I opened up the back sight. One Range Officer said it was fine on the inspection and another said it was wider than what is allowed. He did say though he did not have a micrometer nor was going to look for one to check the width of the front sight. His final comment, was is allowed at one shoot might not be at another.

I am not sure what can or cannot make a pistol pass inspection, maybe Jim/OH can help.

I just learned to be careful in making changes.

RDE

 

[mykeal]

just logged in to say thanks for the responses.

currently on travel, internet time is very limited. i'll be better able to look into these when I get back next week.

thanks again, everyone, for your suggestions.

 

[FishDFly]

mykeal,

My comment on the Pedersoli Charles Moore and being able to shoot it in the Traditional Kentucky pistol and flintlock shoots allowed my thoughts to wander from your original question, sorry.

A friend suggested the Charles Moores since it qualifies for multiple aggs.

Another thought, buy the Pedersoli flintlock and percussion, for the price of a Charles Moore. You already have the "as issue pistol", thus you are set up for the Traditional Agg in Friendship or Phoenix.

RDE

 

[Jim/OH]

Hi Richard,

The pistols for Kentucky style matches have rules for what is legal. Basically it is "Any pistol, original or replica, with plow handle design. Grip may be checkered, no saw handle grips are permitted (Thompson Patriot). Sights are fixed only approximately 1/4" tall with the base the width of the top flat. Front sight of a height necessary to group at 25 yds. with either a 6 o'clock or center hold.Maximum thickness (pay attention Richard) is .100 (7/64"). Rear sight notch may be a "V" or "U" with parallel sides or a square bottomed notch. Round ball only. Set triggers are permitted, and all guns must be inspected.

So to answer your question Zoney: Yes you could pin the barrel of the Pedrosoli (sp?) and it would not cause a problem. :thumbsup:

Hope this helps, see ya, Jim/OH :hatsoff:

 

[FishDFly]

Hi Richard,

The pistols for Kentucky style matches have rules for what is legal. Basically it is "Any pistol, original or replica, with plow handle design. Grip may be checkered, no saw handle grips are permitted (Thompson Patriot). Sights are fixed only approximately 1/4" tall with the base the width of the top flat. Front sight of a height necessary to group at 25 yds. with either a 6 o'clock or center hold.Maximum thickness (pay attention Richard) is .100 (7/64"). Rear sight notch may be a "V" or "U" with parallel sides or a square bottomed notch. Round ball only. Set triggers are permitted, and all guns must be inspected.

So to answer your question Zoney: Yes you could pin the barrel of the Pedrosoli (sp?) and it would not cause a problem. :thumbsup:

Hope this helps, see ya, Jim/OH :hatsoff:

Jim/OH

Your information helps and thank you again, I do appreciate the information.

I will file it with the rest of my pistol information.

RDE

 

[mykeal]

This is really good stuff and I very much appreciate everyone's responses.

The Pedersolis are fine guns (I own a Pedersoli double 12) and I would like to get one. Those prices are really tempting. But, I learned something about my specifications when I was looking over the catalog: I'm going to add buying American to the stack unless it proves impossible. That will raise the price bar a bit, but I think it can be done.

Yes, I do have the 'as issued' gun (several that qualify, in fact), and I also have a number of percussion single shots for the second leg of the aggregate. I actually shot one of them at Friendship a few weeks ago, enough to prove yet again that maintaining proficiency with a 3" S&W .357 mag does not translate to a 9" CVA Mountain .50. :shake:

I did look in the sheepsheds at Friendship but wasn't yet 'in the market'. I saw some fine possibilities in Tip Curtis' shed; wish I'd known about the pistol shack - I will certainly use that resource at the next opportunity.

Zonie's comment about the Pedersoli Kentucky barrel mount has kind of solidified my current thinking: I'm leaning towards building my own. It's been a few years since I put together the CVA pistols, but working with some rifles recently makes me believe I can handle such a mod, and if I'm capable of that I can build my own from a bag of parts.

So, I'm going to at least aim at building one myself. Unless a great deal comes up in the meantime (and I do look in the classifieds on this forum frequently) I'm probably going to be ordering some parts soone. Just need to decide if I want to take on the whole project or start with a partially inletted gun. Decisions, decisions....

Again, thanks for the ideas; they really helped me to decide what I'd prefer. In the mean time, I'd welcome any thoughts anyone might have on the 95% inletted kits, or perhaps a 'bag of parts' kit.

 

[Zonie]

I think you may have seen this old post but for a little inspiration for you, you might check it out: http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...d/136820/post/136820/hl/newgun1/fromsearch/1/

Although I used a small Siler percussion lock, a small Siler Flintlock could have been substituted.

Another post dealing with this pistol is this one: http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...818/post/115818/hl/DRUMFIXTURE1/fromsearch/1/

As I carved this pisol out of a block you might notice that I left the top of the stock at the same height as the breech. That allowed me to rest my router on it when cutting the barrel channel.

Although this pistol is somewhat of a "French Dueling" pistol, (modeled after a full size plastic kit that used to be available) and it may not be what your looking for, I think it is a good idea to have something handy to measure when in doubt.
If you have another pistol that you like to use as a model it would be a good idea to use it.

With a lot of work I'm sure you can turn out a pistol better than mine

Have fun.

 

[brewyak]

Check out the flintlock pistol that Jim Chambers sells . He sells it as a kit. I will more than likely get one in a year or two. I think his site is flintlock.com

 

[mykeal]

That is on my list. $620 means I'd have to put it off another year. Tough decision as I was really hoping to get into flintlock pistols this season.

 

[bowkill]

track of the wolf kit, going together nicely cost about 380 to my door. will post pictures when i get done.