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I saw a few examples of "PC" peep sights in Ohio..

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djb

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I was at Roscoe Village which is located in Coshocton. Coshocton is an English equivelant to the Shawnee name of the large village located there. Kind of the way the Spanish word vaquero morphed into "buckaro". Anyway the Johnson Humrickson Museum is located there and is a nice stop if you like local pioneer and native history. It is not very big, but has several examples of blackpowder rifles and the like.

Most of the guns were converted from flint lock and seemed to have been left "in the white". They were not brown but had a nice blue-grey patina. Two of them had peep sights. One consisted on a 6 inch long, thin blade with peep on the end, that attached to the barrel up near the hammer. I have see a simialar example on the Log Cabin web site. this sight would not work well on a hooked breach gun and seemed fragile.

The second peep was very interesting and simple. It was a simple round threaded base attached to the tang. The sight itself was simply a large headed screw with a hole drilled threw it. Elevation was adjusted but screwing it in and out, windage must be adjusted via drifting the front site. This was a very small and unabtrusive sight, and something I may make to put on my newly completed Lyman GPR. The big Lyman Peep is nice on my Deerstalker but wouldn't look right on the GPR.

I figured some of you may also be interested in a fairly pc peep site option. I apologize if this is old info...I am fairly new to this site. I'm kicking myself for not taking my camera to snap a few pictures. There was some nice rifles and a sweet set of flint dueling pistols. Two final observations: 1) the calibers were most often around .35 even though the outside of the barrel appeared to be close to 1 inch across the flats and 2) the front sights were very small. They did not appear to stick up more than 1/4 inch.
 
Sights are an area where historic, traditional, and common are at odds.

:hmm:

Peepsights are older than guns the oldest being present on crossbows that date well before firearm use.

Peepsights/tubesights are visible in some of the oldest drawings of Swiss matchlock shooting matches. They were popular during the era of wheel locks. I believe someone on the preflint section posted several pictures of these early sights.

Peepsights/tubesights were used on some target rifles all through the ages.

But they are not common, therefore, although they are historically correct, they are not considered traditional.

I never have really figured that one out. I think that maybe in the early resurgence of muzzleloading the "common origionals" had the P-poor little dinky sights that were almost impossible to use. Anyone duplicating a ML gun and putting a peep sight on it had so much advantage that they were considered "unfair" by the guys with the origionals, and the "pull politically" to run the matches.

In order to not offend the shooters with origional guns, and their collector friends looking to increase the value of their shootable origionals, the definition of "traditional" was written to eliminate peep sights. :nono:

So now, although these were the "match guns" of history, they are illigal for use in "traditional" matches of today.

But that is pure speculation on my part. I was not at that particular meeting, probably held on the tailgate of Walter Cline or Red Harris' pickup truck. :master: :master:
 
The truble I see with allow'n "peep sights" in today's iron sight competition is,..... most folks would go to the store and buy sumpthin like the Lyman 57 sight ( U-G-L-Y) , instead of use'n sumpthin historicaly correct and "easy on tha eye".

YMHS
rollingb
 
I got one of them U-G-L-Y Lyman 57 sights on my Gpr cap lock.With out it thease old 66 year old eyes cant see to shoot! Those buck horn sights that come on the GPR are usless to me. I can be PC and not be able to see the sights or use the peep and still be able to soot to a fair degree.
Old Charlie
 
I guess I have to ask "why" you went with the Lyman peep,... instead of a PC peep on yore traditional rifle???? (wouldn't thet serve the same purpose, and wouldn't you also enjoy the "research"?)

YMHS
rollingb
 
Old Charlie & Charlie -- I could not agree with you guys more. There comes a point when being PC gets in the way of folks who would like to and except for a physical limitation, can participate. When the PC stuff turns into a show stopper in these cases it's just wrong. If the PC thing is so critical then perhaps someone needs to set out corncobs in the outhouse and hide the Charmin.
 
Old Charlie & Charlie -- I could not agree with you guys more. There comes a point when being PC gets in the way of folks who would like to and except for a physical limitation, can participate. When the PC stuff turns into a show stopper in these cases it's just wrong. If the PC thing is so critical then perhaps someone needs to set out corncobs in the outhouse and hide the Charmin.

....... and, allow modern inlines with scopes, to compete aginst traditional muzzleloaders with Lyman peeps??.... or, don't you all agree thet a "line" must be drawn somewher in shooting competitions??

I think I see a "market" here,..... for PC " traditional peeps"!! :thumbsup:

YMHS
rollingb
 
I think I see a "market" here,..... for PC " traditional peeps"!! :thumbsup:

Now, I can agree with that statement. I had the Lyman 57GPR sight on my GPR but had to remove it b/c it just didn't look or feel right. And being PC hasn't been of great concern to me. Although, as time goes on, I must admit that the PC bug is starting to sink its teeth into me. Of course, my groups opened a little after I removed the sight b/c of the reasons mentioned by Old Charlie and Charlie.

I think I have figured out a way to shrink the groups again. I plan to install a much "finer" set of sights to my GPR - maybe a copper-based German silver front blade with a more traditional full buckhorn. Think that would help?
 
rollingb I didn't know there was such a thing as traditional peep sights. But evean if they are you can't use them at the shoots, because they say they are not traditional! The deal at those shoots is NO peep sights peroid. It don't matter to me cause I don't shoot well enough to enter anyway. I do shoot well enough to kill a deer once in a while.
Old Charlie
 
P.S.,.... I'm not try'n to start a "war" 'bout peeps, and would like you fellas to know thet I'm (very) close to "66" myself.

IMO,.... "when and if" I must go to peeps, they will be "PC" peeps of some sort,.... 'cause (I think) they would be more "fit'n" on traditional muzzleloaders shoot'n "PC" roundballs, and "PC" blackpowder, with "PC" ignition. :imo: :m2c: :results:

YMHS
rollingb
 
rollingb I didn't know there was such a thing as traditional peep sights. But evean if they are you can't use them at the shoots, because they say they are not traditional! The deal at those shoots is NO peep sights peroid. It don't matter to me cause I don't shoot well enough to enter anyway. I do shoot well enough to kill a deer once in a while.
Old Charlie

I agree,.... The "no peeps allowed", will bar you from compete'n in shoots wher only "open iron" is allowed.

.... but like djb stated:.... "The second peep was very interesting and simple. It was a simple round threaded base attached to the tang. The sight itself was simply a large headed screw with a hole drilled threw it. Elevation was adjusted but screwing it in and out, windage must be adjusted via drifting the front site. This was a very small and unabtrusive sight, and something I may make to put on my newly completed Lyman GPR.".....

I think even a simple "large headed screw with a hole drilled through it" is more please'n to the eye (and, certainly more "PC"), then some "modern glob" sit'n on the tang of a traitional-styled rifle!!

YMHS
rollingb
 
TOTW has a peep sight that doesn't look too bad. As for being PC, I don't know. It's listed under "rear sight semi buckhorn".
 
TOTW has a peep sight that doesn't look too bad. As for being PC, I don't know. It's listed under "rear sight semi buckhorn".

Do you mean the elevator sight with optional peep slide??

YMHS
rollingb
 
Old Salt,

My eyes have gotten really bad also. I had trouble seeing the front sight on my GPR also, it would get real blurry when i sighted in. I took the sight and filed the sides down ,I left enough on the top to file a cone shape. Then I back filed a little under the large end of the cone to make it stand out from what,s left of the blade sight.Now when I look down the sights the large end of the cone looks like a bead sight.I can now see light all around the "bead sight" when I sight in.It stands out nice and clear.My off hand is just as good now as my bench was before I did this .Thats not saying a hole lot.....But I do have some 3 by 5 cards somewhere...MMMMM shaggy. :m2c:
 
Sights and conical projectiles are two areas where it has simply been easier to use modern styles, or develope new styles that are better or more familiar than the originals....yet the term "traditional" still gets tacked on by most..... that "spirit" thing again I suspect.
 
Old Salt,

My eyes have gotten really bad also. I had trouble seeing the front sight on my GPR also, it would get real blurry when i sighted in. I took the sight and filed the sides down ,I left enough on the top to file a cone shape. Then I back filed a little under the large end of the cone to make it stand out from what,s left of the blade sight.Now when I look down the sights the large end of the cone looks like a bead sight.I can now see light all around the "bead sight" when I sight in.It stands out nice and clear.My off hand is just as good now as my bench was before I did this .Thats not saying a hole lot.....But I do have some 3 by 5 cards somewhere...MMMMM shaggy. :m2c:

A tiny front sight does improve accuracy for sure...TC makes two different size front sights and I've made a point of swapping out any of the large ones that were on some of my older barrels...makes all the difference in the world
 
Thanks for the idea,next time somebody calls me on my homemade,screw with a hole peep,I'll bring up the corn cob-charmin deal at least sears catalog most of you won't remember that,I get sore thinking about it.
 
Thanks for the idea,next time somebody calls me on my homemade,screw with a hole peep,I'll bring up the corn cob-charmin deal at least sears catalog most of you won't remember that,I get sore thinking about it.

I well remember "corn cobs", and the "slick pages" from Sears!! :eek: :haha: :thumbsup:

YMHS
rollingb
 
I haven't seen the Lyman peep sight, but I have looked on the T/C site and saw a peep for my Hawken.
Is that as ugly as the Lyman?
I also am starting to have trouble with open sights. I am at the point of installing Mojo aperture sights on my Swede M38 so I can see to shoot it.
Jim
 

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