ID a rifle

[Festus]

Can anyone ID this? It is for sale on a local site and the guy doesn’t know what brand it is. Thanks guys.

 

[Festus]

It has a dove tail buckhorn sight on it and it is.50 cal.

 

[poker]

Its a build. I noticed his ad where he claims its from revolutionary war era made in 1861. Then he shows pics with a builders name engraved on the side plate and dated 74. I got a good chuckle out of that. Its a nice build, pretty fancy, but its 1974.

 

[Festus]

I called him out on his claim and he got a little nasty with me. Still waiting for the proof of his claim. Do you by chance know the make of this one?

 

[poker]

His pics have glare from flash and bright brass but heres a couple. Seems like Dummer was the builders name.
He has 35 pictures on his ad. At Bismanonline
Good luck if buying Festus

 

[poker]

Or maybe that says Big Gunner? I really dont know

 

[Festus]

No I am not buying. I seen the ad and laughed when I read it. I told him it was probably made in 1974 and he proceeded to tell me I didn’t know what I was talking about. Would still like to know what brand it is. I am sure it’s a kit of some sort or something that someone added a lot of brass to.

 

[Festus]

It looks similar to one that was marketed by Navy Arms but I am not sure.

 

[bubba.50]

That breechplug definitely has a Navy Arms look to it.

 

[poker]

I thought all the spanish or italian barrels would have had markings even in mid 70’s? Or didnt Navy Arms import everything from there?

 

[bubba.50]

Lot of defarbed rifles out there. Might ‘specially be so if they tried to pass it off as custom.

 

[Zonie]

I don't think it is any "brand".
It looks like it is a rifle that was made by a gun builder, probably in 1974.

Had it been made in the 1800's its finish wouldn't be as new looking as it is. It also would have noticeable pitting around the nipple area which it doesn't. (Caps were very corrosive and even a well kept gun usually had some damage around the nipple area.)

 

[hanshi]

Hard to believe he can try and pass it off as an 18th or 19th century rifle. It was built in the last century; 1974 sounds okay to me.

 

[Newtire]

I don't believe percussion ignition was around back in the Revolutionary War days. 1820 was the first one I've read about. I have a Tingle made rifle with a lock that looks a little like that but it could be almost anyone's build really.

 

[Stubert]

How much does he want for this"antique"?

 

[Erwan]

A real 1874 could be but not this one, this one is too young...

Following the discovery of fulminates by Edward Charles Howard in 1800, Jean Lepage invented, between 1807 and 1810, a new means of igniting black powder for firearms: a primer based on pulver of mercury fulminate whose combustion is triggered by the energy of a firing pin.
In 1818 the capsule was invented by François Prélat.
The new method has allowed the abandonment of flintlock mechanisms and paved the way for modern firing methods.

 

[user 34300]

" he claims its from revolutionary war era made in 1861" A caplock....

The guy sounds delusional with a touch of plain stupid. The stock is that cheap European hardwood that CVA used. The construction details scream cheapo 1970s. The side plate is not inletted and secured with modern brass screws. The engraving screams amateur. The tang is too short. The chambered breech is made on a milling machine. Overall it is pretty cheap and cheesie, don't pay much. Yikes.

 

[Marinekayak]

The patch box looks like a fancier version of the old lymans plains rifle from the 70's