ID of Pistol with Filligree Lock

[Stormbringer]

I'm back to enlist the help of the forum once again. You helped me so much last time I'm hoping we can ID this pistol too.
I think this might be a 'Frankenstein' pistol, made from several different guns. It has seen some modifications with holes drilled in off locations and the touch-hole is ascew like it was drilled with lock in place. Here's some pix:

Real nice filligree etchings all around lock, frizzen, and cock.

I'm looking to replace the sear spring as the last one was homemade and the steel wasn't annealed back properly. It seems I have several options now the plate has been drilled out serveral times... LOL!
Any help will be most appreciated
~~]o DUG

 

[KABAR2]

Looks to be a modern Spanish made replica May have been a kit gun hence the poor assembly...

 

[desi23]

The lock looks like a couple CVA gun locks I've had (think I still have a gun I built with one of them). The CVA "Tower Pistols" used that same lock I believe. Do a search for CVA parts and you should be able to find someone with parts for it.

Also, if my memory is right, the pistol looks like another CVA. I believe they called it a "Belt Pistol" and I would guess it was built from one of their kits.

 

[Va.Manuf.06]

Not a "Frankenstein", it is a typical low cost (CHEAP) pistol of the 1960s - 1970s.

 

[rickystl]

Agreed. I seem to remember these from the late 60's and 70's. I believe they were Spanish made? :hmm:
Rick.

 

[zimmerstutzen]

Very Early CVA colonial pistol, with the really cheap flint lock they made. It does not even have the sear adjusting screw the later ones had. Probably from Jukar. The later ones were made at Ardessa. The later ones in flint had a different lock plate (longer)and had a sear adj screw in the tumbler. The corresponding percussion models can be differentiated because the early ones used a shortened percussion lock and a bolster breech plug. The later ones, used the larger lock plate AND a drum and nipple instead of the bolster breech plug. The switch over cam about around 1978 or 1980. The rifling in the barrels also became deeper with the switch. According to my CVA parts diagrams, you have lock number 1308. The later flint lock that came on the colonial pistol was the 1308A, the lock plates are not interchangeable, although some of the internal parts are. The sear spring for your lock is number 50211 and the sear spring screw is 50320

They are not the same parts for the later Maislin style lock. (1308A)
However, they are the same as for the percussion lock No 1304, which was used on the early Tower pistol until about 1981. In 1980, your flint lock was $18.25 brand spanking new in the Mountain State Muzzle loading Supplies Cat.

 

[cynthialee]

CVA 'Colonial Pistol'.

I recognise the stock.

Edit to add: Looks like he beat me to the punch.

 

[M. De Land]

Recognize the pattern?

Identical, no? Mine reads.......... MFG. for UlTRA-HI by Miroku Japan. MD

 

[zimmerstutzen]

MD bet your lock plate doesnt't say Spain on the inside

 

[zimmerstutzen]

The pattern is indeed similar, but the frizzen pivot screw is threaded in the opposite way. The pattern doesn't seem as deep or defined on MD;s gun. I'll bet somebody took a spanish lock to Miroku and said run off a thousand copies please.

 

[M. De Land]

Here is some pictures of the back of my lock.

Note the sear spring. MD

 

[M. De Land]

Either that or the screw head is busted off! OOops , I see it in the second picture!
No bridle either, the Miroku is clearly better made it looks like to me.
The main spring position and heel are different as well. MD

 

[Stormbringer]

Thanks for all the help everyone! So my friend I was working on this for suddenly got poor so I smithed it back best I could. I did attempt to try my hand at annealing but was difficult in home workshop conditions. So i tapped out the wobbled hole to a 8-32 thread and then used a carefully bent safety pin for the new sear spring. Worked great! Just threaded my new screw through the hinge part of safety pin, cut the hooded head part off and bent it accordingly.
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with the community.
Is there a book made to identify flintlocks from beginning to present?

 

[zimmerstutzen]

I am fortunate to have a fair library of recent muzzleloader information. (Several years CVA cats, the CVA parts book and an old Mtn State Arms cat with CVA diagrams, tells me most of what there is to know about CVA guns)

I have met old timers who can look at a muzzleloader from anytime in the past 60 years and tell from 100 ft what maker's lock is on the gun. I don't know a Cochran from a Hamm from a Mitton. One of the better flint locks I have, was from a guy that built smoothbores and I understand even made his own locks. (Gostomski)

Odd thing is, most of the original guns I have had wore Goulcher locks, but there were hundreds of other locks.

Figuring out the CVA locks is easy.

 

[Chiefs50]

I have one of the Jukar Pistols with the same lock. I need a Jaw Screw and Top Jaw for the lock. Anybody have an idea as to where I can get these parts?

 

[zimmerstutzen]

Deer Creek of Waldron Indiana purchased all of the CVA part inventory. If any body has it... (No web site BTW) According to my CVA parts book, the top jaw screw, part number 50350 was the same through most of their production and all of their flint locks.

 

[zimmerstutzen]

The top jaw was part number 50440. It was the same part on the Mtn rifle, Frontier rifle, and hawken rifle. But not the same on the Kentucky

 

[Chiefs50]

Thank you sir - I appreciate your help.

 

[Zonie]

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