Identified, unknown British Musket

[Cpl.Parker]

I had posted a thread looking to identify my new rifle and I found one on Joe Salter #4595.

Here is mine.

It is a Canadian Indian Presentation Rifle.

 

[Parzifal]

Looks -kinda- like a Baker made with a percussion rear action lock....

Its neat,

is it solid enough to put a round or 2 from???

Rob

 

[pichou]

If this is anything close to what it is claimed to be, it should have Hudson Bay Co marks on the barrel, and George Goulcher and floral motifs on the lock. 24 ga., 88.3 cm octagon to round barrel. This would be a fine grade version of Bouchard's type 3.

Or, the lock is marked LONDON and has a "IA Tombstone Fox" stamp. 4" upper ramrod pipe, and a single number stamp on the breech. Military style butt plate. This would make it a fine version of the MOFT's "Most unusual Northwest gun."

I have never heard of such an animal, and either you have found 2 examples of a rare and rarely heard of gun, or somebody recently imported these from overseas. The former does not happen often, the latter does. There are many more fakes and misrepresented items on the market than rare ones.

I would recommend you contact the Museum of the Fur Trade and send them pictures. They will either wet their pants, or burst your bubble.

I hope it is the real deal, and the info gets published. That would be very cool.

:v

Ref's: Bourchard Les Armes de Traite.

MOFTQ: A Most Unusual Northwest Gun.

 

[pichou]

Hmmm ok looked at the reference article by Egles. Check the marks carefully when it comes, then contact the author of the article and the MOFT as suggested. This could get exciting. Looks like you bought the better of the two.

:thumbsup:

You might also want to try and get a provenance from the seller. That kind of info makes important pieces more important. :wink:

 

[cpinkhaminsc]

The wrist and trigger guard remind me of a pre 1850's British "volunteer" rifle, made for militia units under private contract, but the rest makes me wonder if it was a prize, trophy, or presentation gun. The Indian/trade possibility seems logical.
Charles

 

[TFoley]

The wrist and trigger guard remind me of a pre 1850's British "volunteer" rifle

Excepting that the British Volunteer Force did not come into being until 1858, and when it did, used the same arms [or civilian versions] of the military arms then in use - to whit - the P53 Enfield and its derivatives.

Whatever, the appearance of this piece is most unlike any British percussion arm that I have ever seen - it is far too ornate and 'European' in appearance.

I can't comment on whether or not it is North American or not.

tac

 

[tmdreb]

It looks like a dressed-up Brunswick Rifle.

 

[pichou]

:shocked2:

OK just so as we can all get on the same sheet of music...
http://www.joesalter.com/detail.php?f_qryitem=4595

The article is worth reading, and yes, it is a Baker, sort of...

:hatsoff:

 

[Cpl.Parker]

The little beasty finally arrived Thursday and I sold it the same day. :shocked2: I paid $300 and sold it for $3000. In the words of Wind-in-his-hair,"Good trade". Where did the s**t eating grin icon go?