If you could own only one

[Sakohunter]

Hmmmm....let me see here.

Eyetalian made junk verses American made quailty....

Boy that's a tough one!

I'll stick with the ROA, thank you.

I bought a new Uberti 1851 Navy back in November and I am still spending money on better made parts trying to get it to shoot on all chambers.

No more junk for me....

 

[rebel727]

I've got five Italian guns and none of them are junk. The ROA is a good gun no doubt, it just doesn't look like anything that ever was.

 

[Sakohunter]

Congratulations...sounds like you got 5 good ones! :thumbsup:

So far, I have about $330 tied up in my Navy and I still have miss-fires...guess I will try another set of Tresso nipples.

For $330 I could have bought a nice used ROA.

Being a copy of something 150+ years old is not a prerequisite for me.

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

If your on-line name is any indication, neither is buying American. Sakos ain't made in the good ole U S of A. My Colts are. Italian made guns aren't generally considered to be junk. In fact the Italians have been making fine firearms for hundreds of years.

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

If your on-line name is any indication, neither is buying American. Sakos ain't made in the good ole U S of A. My Colts are. Italian made guns aren't generally considered to be junk. In fact the Italians have been making fine firearms for hundreds of years.

 

[Sakohunter]

Sakos ain't made in the good ole U S of A

And you would be correct...they are made in Finland.

I did not mean to imply that I only buy American because I don't.

In fact the Italians have been making fine firearms for hundreds of years.

You are correct again, unfortunately my Uberti Navy is junk and will be until I get it to shoot right.

I guess I am just frustrated because I am having to spend money on a new gun to get it to shoot right. I am sure that I am not to only person having this problem with Uberti clones.

 

[rebel727]

I've got two Uberti's albeit cartridge guns that haven't had anything done to them. I've got two Pietta C&B's that haven't had anything done to them. I've got one 39 year old Rigarmi that has had the loading lever and hand replaced once, still has the original nipples. Anybody can make a lemon, don't take a lemon out on an entire country.

 

[Zonie]

Lets get off of the modern gun stuff.
This is a Black Powder Muzzleloading Forum.

And for the record, 14 of my 15 C&B revolvers (all different) are all great pistols.
The one exception is a very old CVA Brass framed "Wells Fargo" gun that was made in Spain.

 

[mykeal]

Zonie,

I would appreciate a specific reference, please.

 

[rebel727]

Zonie,they're 73 Colt Clones. They shoot bp, just in cartridges WTH?

 

[HarborMaster]

Since this thread is now all over the map on which gun is better., including the not historically accurate modern invention called the ROA and the issue of the top strap of the Remmy being adopted by colt for the 73 ....., ? then Iam left thinking only one thing., Dont get me wrong., I shoot my pietta 58 more often than any other gun I have.........., But again 73 is in the wind here......, My Ruger New Vaquero with 4 5/8 barrel is the one I would rather be using today in a robbery whilst sitting in a pick up truck...., Man what a gun it is. the action is butter its fast and smooth.

Back to the Muzzleloaders if the convertable was so great.., Why did Colt rip-off Remmys design???

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

Seems to me the Colt Root model had a top strap in 1855 as did the Colt revolving rifle and some earlier prtotypes. All predate the Remington.

 

[Poor Private]

And we all know how long the Colt Root and revolving rifle lasted. :haha:

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

Not sure what your point is. Mine was that Colt didn't rip off Remington regarding the top strap design. And Colt didn't. To answer your question, the Colt Root revolver was in production from 1855 to 1870.

 

[Zonie]

Zonie,

I would appreciate a specific reference, please.

I'm not sure what specific reference you want?

My last post prior to this one was asking that the discussion be confined to non-cartridge black powder guns.
Sako doesn't fit into this (nor does the Ruger Vaquero).

If you want a reference to the one C&B revolver that isn't worth a dam, it is a CVA Brass framed .31 caliber attempt at recreating a "Wells Fargo" Pony Express gun.
On further checking, I was wrong. It wasn't made in Spain. It was made in Italy by ASM (Armi San Marco).

 

[mykeal]

It was the Sako. I can't believe I missed that. Sorry.

 

[rebel727]

It was the Sako. I can't believe I missed that. Sorry.

Me too. :redface:

 

[broadarrow]

If you could own only one which would it be? Well I started out with a Ruger Old Army which was a great shooter, but, I really enjoy using period correct firearms where possible, regardless of their shortcomings. I knew what I wanted and I asked around and what you see below literally fell into my hands through an old club member which is a Pietta 1851 Colt Navy in .36cal cased with accessories, which is what I really wanted in the first place as the Ruger didn't interest/inspire me to use it, Regards, Broadarrow

 

[J.S. Colt]

if the colt was so great why did they make the 73 with a top strap like the Remington?

Colt actually didn't want to do this. When trials were initiated by the Army for a new cartridge gun to replace the 1860 Army, Colt initially created and submitted the 1872 Open-top for consideration. And though the Army found it to be an excellent gun (found to be more accurate and hard-hitting then the other models in competition), they fell for the myth that a strap gun was stronger than an open-top, and so added the requirement for a strapped revolver to the competition. William Mason (of Colt's) went back to the drawing board and added a top strap to the pistol, which then became the 1873 "Colt's New Army Metallic Cartridge Revolving Pistol" Model P (or Peacemaker for short). Remington sued over the similarities between the guns, but lost both the litigation and the Army trials; this lead, eventually, to Remington backing out of the revolver market and placing their emphasis on rifles, which was where they started out.

The Peacemaker (especially with the so-called "blackpowder" frame) was as much a blackpowder gun as any front-stuffer; it just used a metallic cartridge rather than a paper or skin one, and the cap became part of the cartridge. But it was developed during the blackpowder era, and used BP exclusively for the first twenty or so years of it's existence. So I would consider it an official blackpowder gun (JMHO), and, technically, the one I'd choose if given only one choice.

If I could choose only one from the list, it would be the 1860 Army. Better stopping power over the .36 cal, and a damned fine looking piece to boot.

 

[Mike.54]

Great spirited discussions on this post! I can't resist adding my 2 cents.

Of the three I like the 58 remington. I don't own one but I have a pair of .31 pocket pistols. one brass frame the other steel.

But If I have to choose only one I have to go ROA.
A few points I would like state regarding this revolver.
1. Not period correct.
2. Loosely based on the 58 remington.
3. has a loading lever and nipples on the cylinder.
4. American made

I'm sad that the ROA is the only American made cap & ball One can buy. I Have several Italian made replica firearms and they are all well made and good looking pieces and great shooters. So as the Post says; If you could own only one. I know which one I'm packin.