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Any of you have one of the India Pattern 3rd model Bess's? What do you think of them? Do you think a person could remove enough wood from the forearm to get the weight down to around 8 lbs or a little less? Would like to get another Tradegun or fowler, but the India Bess is only $449 as compared to around $600 for a Fowler or Tradegun kit except for the New so called Doglock Fowler from Middlesex Village Traders, and it is still $595+shipping. Too much for me right now. I know, save until i get the money. But mostly what i want is a flintlock smoothbore that can use for hunting deer and turkey, and maybe elk. I figure the Bess should be ok for that if i can trim it down some. Maybe replace the ramrod thimbles for ones to take a wooden rod, and replace the metal rod with a wood one. Kind of a self made tradegun? What ya think.
 
You say for hunting you'd like to replace a steel rod for a wooden one? Why?
Check the prior postings here, seems to be some concern about workmanship on some of these India guns.. can't say much from experience though.
My 2nd land Bess is considered heavy. But I swear, it's the lightest 9+ lbs. I've ever felt. (feels like 5#) There's really not that much out there at the end of the barrel to remove to make any noticable weight savings :imo:. Most effective place to shave off some weight wouldbe to remove the butt plate and hollow out the stock, could shave off a lot of weight there,,,,, However, Handling and balance would go to he!!. :imo:
Besides, if you're going to use "Elk loads" in a big bore smoothie, you might regret getting too light (unless you like getting "thrashed about"). :m2c:
 
Riarcher, the reason for replacing the metal rod was to save some weight, and i just like wooden rods. As for removing any from the barrel, if i was going to do that, i might as well get the carbine, 30" barrel version. I had heard that there is a lot of excess wood in the forearm of these, and figured i could shave some weight of by removing some there. I wouldn't want to drill out the butt, as that would throw the balance off. I have also heard some of the stories about the India made guns, but a friend of mine has a 1740's model .62 cal. musket from Loyalist Arms, and it is a real nice gun. I wouldn't be shooting thousands of rounds through it, so i figure that even one of the India made guns should last me. Just want to try to get the weight to around 8lbs if possible. Thanks for the reply. Take care.
 
Rebel, go to the loyalist page and get to "specials".
They have a couple of 1740-50's trade guns "new but unfinished" only $400.00.
:thumbsup:
 
Reb, despite the listed weights of some of these Bess replicas, none of them feel as heavy as you'd think. You could certainly fit new pipes and a wooden rod, but you'd only be shaving a few ounces. I take it, however, that you prefer the wooden rod, so that may be the way you'd want to go. As far as quality, I have a couple of Indian made guns now, as well as a slew of Indian made swords. India has been enjoying sort of a Renaissance in the last few years, with regard to technology and industry, and it shows. Ten years ago, just about anything coming out of India was horrible. In the last few years, though, they really seem to have gotten their act together. The biggest thing on Indian weapons is their level of finish, which is kept somewhat rough to keep costs as low as possible. There are still some issues in India with quality control, so it is possible to get one Indian made item that is just beautiful and another that's poorly done, but again, they seem to be improving on this with each passing week. I believe that Pete at MVTC sort of does his own quality control: not accepting any pieces that are substandard. I really wouldn't worry too much about this aspect, and for the price, you'll be surprised at how nice these guns can be. A bit rough in the fit and finish department, bet very functional and solid. I'm eying a couple of these myself right now, including the India Pattern Bess.:thumbsup:

P.S. When I talk about rough finish, some examples would include: minor casting flaws in the ramrod pipes, uneven staining on the wood, and when you remove the lock, you'll find that the cutout in the stock is just a roughly shaped likeness of the lock, rather than the neatly-cut stuff you'd see in a more expensive gun. None of it is any big deal, and many of these items can be addressed by you upon receipt of the piece. None of this stuff has to be fixed, as it doesn't hamper the functioning of the gun, but it can be fun to work on if you like to "tinker" with things, like I do. :: :thumbsup:
 
Musketeer, thanks for the info on the India guns. I am still considering the new Fowler that Pete at Middlesex has. He said he took one of the first ones, and he seem quite pleased with it. Wonder how much extra it would cost in shipping to ship that long barreled thing? May still wind up with the India pattern Bess though. Or the Loyalist 1740s .20 ga. Who knows. Only time will tell. Thanks again.
 
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