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pepperbelly

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I have been looking at a musket in a pawn shop. I am trying to determine what it is exactly, and I need to go back to check some stuff.
I keep reading references to Indian imports. I know Pedersoli makes good reproductions, but everyone seems to not like the Indian imports.
What is the story on them? Are they like some of the Spanish rifles?

Jim
 
True, the barrels are not proofed, neither (gasp!) are American barrels. You could make the argument that American metalurgy is better, but with all the Chinese Steel floating around in this country I'm not sure that is true anymore.I have read some where on this board that there are 20,000+ Indian muskets in this country (that sounds pretty high...),but even figuring 1/2 of that, there are a lot of Indian guns being used. That I know of, there has been one Indian barrel burst, and nobody has yet produced a definative answer as to why (bad metal, blockage, over load???).
European guns barrels are proof tested. Assuming you don't do something stupid, they are safe.

As a general rule fit & finish on European guns is better than Indian (although its nowhere near an origional).
Indian stocks are made of teak. They tend to be heavy, and a little thick. The color seems to be applied to the surface, making them fairly easy to strip.
There are some Indian guns out there that are junk. There are others that are pretty sound. I wouldn't buy an Indian Musket from some guy out of the back of his pickup, or from some operator at a gun show. But, I have seen, handled, & fired guns from Loyalist Arms & MVTC. These guns were pretty decent, & allowed guys to get into the hobby who otherwise would be on the sidelines or, worse, shooting 'inlines".
One of the things you have to consider is price. A Pedersoli Bess is $1200.00 or more. A MVTC Bess is less than 1/2 of that. A Pedersoli is a better gun. However, IMHO, I don't know that its twice as good. That's a judgement call that every shooter makes for himself (or herself). I hope this helps.
 
I've got a brass barreled Ketland pistol from Middlesex Valley Trading. You WILL have to do alot of work on what you get. I stripped the stock down, removed a fair bit of wood, stained and refinished. The locks are rough--mine has killer springs. I had to draw some of the temper from both the sear and frizzen springs. Once I had worked it over, however, it's now reasonably presentable. Look at them as a kit---and bear in mind that there are a number of domestic makers of kits that may have what you want. Look around, and go into it with your eyes open.

Rod
 
Yeah Rod, a kit...not bad. Sort of a "not so in the white" kit, huh? The ones I've seen are about like yours. They may work O.K. but they do look "clunky" and in desperate need of a wood rasp!
 
as regards US barrels not being proofed, i'd shoot a green mountain or colerain barrel without hesitation... the stuff in Bangaluru?

not

so, call me a nationalist bigot (call me a fallen Republican while you're at it) but i just don't trust the stuff. bought a s/s bdl a while ago, and although the stock was a verry beautiful wood (which i never could identify) the left bbl made a very suspicious puff of smoke out of the side when i fired it.

they make nice wall hangers.

just one guy's opinion.
 
Pepperbelly I've got one thing to ad to the Indian imports "Q", I got a new to he line gun from Middlesex Valley Trading this last year, and in my way of playing (seeing if I could blow it up one or both barrels) I went with 3 times the powder and 2 62's (.600) PRB's in a barrel and broke a chip the sear sat on, this being (the locks) all hand made you cant just buy a part, a little file work and it was better than new. Overall foor the price it's been a fun gun,shoot's just right,ect and ect. (could of got a new lock but it was to new to have spare parts and it was my fault for load, I trust it with 1/2 that load I used now without busting my hand from kick! :rotf: Fred :hatsoff:
 
Pepperbelly...here is a good website:[url] http://www.11thpa.org/charleville.html[/url]

it tells you the history of the Charleville musket
 
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Scalper, no, I haven't dropped a bore light in yet. I will before I buy it, if I do decide to buy it.

Jim
 
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